[Updated] Sean Cody Memberships No Longer Include Video Downloads

Posted December 3, 2017 by with 182 comments

best-sean-cody-scenesThis story has been updated below.

For nearly 16 years, Sean Cody members have been able to download and own all of the studio’s videos after purchasing a membership, but as of yesterday, new members do not have that option. Several of those new members—who joined Sean Cody yesterday—wrote to Str8UpGayPorn explaining this drastic alteration to Sean Cody memberships, and here is one:

Hey Zach,

Sean Cody seems to have changed the way their membership site works. Now when you log on as a member, you can stream their videos using your paid membership, but if you want to download them, you have to pay an additional fee. I think this just started today.

Duo scenes are $1.99, and solos are $0.99. This is going to be very unpopular and deserves to be widely condemned. There was no explanation anywhere for this. I never got an e-mail and there was nothing on the site itself explaining why this is happening. It sucks.

Indeed, there is currently no notice or information about download capabilities anywhere on the site, including the join page with the various membership options. Here’s the screenshot from the new member, showing that, in addition to the $17.99 monthly membership charge, there’s now a download charge of $1.99 per sex scene:

LandonDeaconAsherOn the one hand, most new Sean Cody scenes aren’t worth downloading, so this isn’t really a big deal (can you imagine paying $2 extra to download a 2017 Sean Cody scene that Sean Cody itself admitted is “awful”?), and if there’s something you like, you can still watch it streaming as many times as you want, for as long as you’re a member. On the other hand, a majority of scenes produced prior to 2017 are in fact very good and worth downloading, so hopefully longtime fans of the studio already have all their favorite scenes saved.

Existing (legacy) Sean Cody members who joined the site prior to December 1st, 2017 still have download capabilities, but anyone who joins now will have to pay extra. This was confirmed in a live chat with another new Sean Cody member (“frank”) who had an online conversation with a studio billing rep (“Paulina”), as seen below:

frank
8:15:48 a.m.
Hello and Good morning. I just signed up for a month to month membership and I see I am not able to download any videos without paying an additional 1.99 per video. I don’t understand this. I was a member previously and never experienced this issue.

Paulina
8:19:05 a.m.
You joined on Dec 02, 2017, since Dec 01 downloads are no longer free. I can set you up with a discounted rate, 12 months for 89.94 for men.com if you want to join a site with free downloads

frank
8:20:05 a.m.
So you are saying as of 12/1, no one can download anymore from Sean Cody without paying an additional price per video?

Paulina
8:20:55 a.m.
Correct. This option is only available to legacy members who set up their accounts before that date and kept their accounts active and running the whole time

frank
8:21:29 a.m.
That isn’t fair. It did not say that anywhere on the purchase page when signing up.

Paulina
8:22:57 a.m.
I believe the website does not advertise free downloads anywhere. Would you like me to set you up for a discounted rate to men.com?

frank
8:23:59 a.m.
Not free of course. As a paying subscriber, it has always been available. I was a member on three previous occasions. No one expects the downloads to be free, but they do expect it to be part of our monthly membership.

Paulina
8:24:17 a.m.
The terms and conditions changed on Dec 1

frank
8:24:23 a.m.
No, I do not want that. I want a refund. I just signed up today, less than 30 minutes ago. It isn’t right.

Paulina
8:24:57 a.m.
We cannot remove the charge that has been processed. As the billing company for the site, we are obligated to respect the Terms and Conditions of the website. They include an agreement that members are responsible for all charges incurred until cancellation of service. If you wish I will transfer your membership to men.com.

frank
8:28:04 a.m.
You know what, just leave me where I am then and cancel my account so I am not charged on January 1 for rebill.

Paulina
8:28:26 a.m.
No problem, I will do that. One moment. I have canceled the billing on the account and sent you an email to confirm. Is there anything else I might be able to assist you with, or any other questions you may have about your account?

frank
8:29:54 a.m.
No,thank you. But you can put a message in to the site that this new policy will not go over well with new subscribers.

Paulina
8:30:14 a.m.
I will pass your feedback to the web design team, thank you.

What’s most interesting about the chat is the rep’s repeated attempts to convince the member to switch over to Men (which is owned by the same parent company as Sean Cody). Also, why the change to Sean Cody’s download options (which have been a key and successful selling point tied to the studio’s brand for nearly 16 years), but not to Men’s download options?

In addition to Men, most major gay porn studios (Helix, Corbin Fisher, NextDoor, BelAmi, GuysInSweatpants, CockyBoys, GayHoopla) offer memberships that include unlimited downloads of videos. Some others (Falcon, FraternityX, NakedSword) do not offer downloads at all—not even for an extra charge per video. So, at least Sean Cody has the option, I guess? Of course, this change needs to be clearly explained on the join page. And, with 2330 total scenes listed on the site right now, it would cost approximately $4,000 if you wanted to download them all.

UPDATE:

A Sean Cody rep has responded to Str8UpGayPorn’s inquiry about the change in download options, explaining that it’s based in part on a model used on the straight side of the industry. The rep also likened the change to what we already see on Netflix and other streaming video sites:

The download charge was using a model that is being used on the straight side. It is also part of concept of moving the products to more of a Netflix streaming model you see on the SFW content side.

The rep confirmed that the change does not apply to legacy Sean Cody members who joined prior to December 1st, and those members still have free downloads included in their memberships. If you are a legacy member but are receiving prompts to pay for downloads, that’s a system glitch, and you should contact Sean Cody billing support.

 

  • Dana Rimons

    Wow. RIP Sean Cody.

    • Miloš Del Rey
    • Agreed. I used to stick up for seancody amidst their obvious decline in quality. But now, after this stunt they’ve decided to pull on their subscribers, I’ll happily dance upon its grave.

      To call this move ‘stupid’ is simply an understatement.

      Anyone who doesn’t think this is a big deal is kidding themselves. This is a big deal.

      In an age where honest people are constantly ridiculed for purchasing memberships to sites like this instead of stealing it for free like everyone else, seancody took a giant step in the direction of showing us everyone else was right along.

      • Pinko of the Grange

        As stated below by OhMyClarence, this seems like MindGeek is looking to change the entire system and go to this business model. SC is just the Test Bunny.

        • Zealot

          Test Bunny? More like sacrificial lamb.

          • Pinko of the Grange

            Mind Geek scares me

          • Zealot

            Do not be ahfwaid of Mink Geek. Mind Geek is your fwiend. They onwy want you to pay ze billz and have ze cumming, zen go…and foget you ever hear this!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e0994b8abc1f00e6f0c2f726a0b3da5fc00056b990cd971bfefa899c1a716a44.gif

          • CA

            Yep. So should that new tax plan…capitalism is emboldened with this administration.

            Everyone is focused on, walls, pussy grabbing and trans people in the military and the reality is corporations are making major grabs. Male, female, gay, straight, trans…wealthy corporations do not care about anything other than running everything.

          • nick

            It’s all about getting as rich as possible as quick as possible, there are no plans for the future, just here and now, and fuck whoever you have to along the way, it’s not your problem once you are rich and the shareholders are happy.

    • Zealot

      Let’s see how long it takes them to reverse this. I mean, this is shady business tactics 101! You don’t do your established members like this, and you certainly DON’T do it without prior notice. But I think we all know what a prior notice would have gotten them…cancellations out the wazoo. I would think their members are already cancelling. AND, this is only going to drive UP piracy of their material. Whoever advised this is overly banking on loyalty which has already been sorely tested by poor scene quality and technical issues abounding. BOO!

      • Alann6

        Members before December can still download free, even though it says paid download. I just did it on December 4th, so why would you cancel, if you were a member previous to December you can still download free.

        • Zealot

          Well, yes…that would be an incentive to stay with SC if you were a member prior to the change in practices. I skimmed the post, so I may have missed that distinction. If true, I’m glad for the established members, and hope that it doesn’t change. It’s going to make new memberships a TOUGH sell, though.

    • hatefulmoz

      LOL. I was appeased by the content which is why I continued to keep my membership active; but the content has been utter shit for many months now.

  • MXD

    WHAT THE FUCK! This was the main reason i would join from time to time. What the fuck!

  • Scrapple

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/11397f04d32143dd989b80bdad9dde121e65926d8aa7da6db6d800faacab6d90.gif

    That’s fucked up, on multiple levels. They waited until after the Black Friday sale, because they didn’t want to create an influx of “legacy” customers. Not only is it double dipping, it will probably scare some “legacy” customers who like downloads into maintaining a subscription. This is going to make SC’s DRM shitshorm look like a cakewalk. And don’t think the timing of this is weird, considering the holidays are right around the corner. SC saw what was on the horizon with net neutrality and decided it was “Cover Your Ass” time. Pretty sneaky, sis.

    I’m laughing at Men being offered as a consolation…which you have to upgrade to and pay for. I’m laughing even harder at the rep being named Pauline. Of course it’s a woman.

    • Dana Rimons

      Can you explain what you mean by the net neut thing?

      • Scrapple

        It’s definitely something you should read up on. It encompasses a lot of other issues, but the big thing about repealing net neutrality is it enables ISPs to charge sites extra for faster broadband service. So if you’re a streaming site like Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, an ISP can increase your fees based on how much bandwith you’re using to service your customers. Don’t pay and you’ll be relegated to the “slow lanes” of the internet. Obviously that increased charge is then forwarded to the consumer. It also gives ISPs more say in what sort of sites they’ll allow access to, while also giving them the ability to promote their own sites, which then ties into the idea of sponsored data. The current head of the FCC (appointed to that position by Trump) was a big time lawyer for Verizon. Naturally Verizon, like other ISPS, stands to reap big financial gains when net neutrality goes bye bye. None of that is a coincidence.

    • CA

      Why would SC for Net Neutrality concerns implement this? If anything this will make more member stream a scene versus downloading increasing their need for “fast lanes”.

      • Scrapple

        Exactly that. Increased streaming will lead to SC/MG having to shell out more for the privilege of providing those faster lanes. They can then turn around and raise prices and blame it on net neutrality, even if the price raise isn’t comparable to the extra money they’re shelling out. Nobody will know how much extra SC is paying for those lanes because you know good and well there will be no transparency. And on the back end, the money they get from this new download option could very well pay for those fees, thereby making the subscription raises more profitable. As I posted elsewhere on this page, they clearly state in the T&C they can cancel memberships at any time, without cause. Those so-called legacy subs are fairly easy to get rid of.

        • CA

          I suppose if every site from Netflix to Sean Cody decide to raise prices then it makes sense, but people are not going to pay more for porn than they already do.

          And Net Neutrality will get nasty once the everyday observer realizes what’s going on.

          • Scrapple

            I think they’ll certainly lose people along the way, but there are plenty of people who will bite their tongue and pay the increase rather than search out alternative means of acquiring scenes. You’d be surprised what people will pay for. Look at how much some cam models pull in, especially the ones who barely do anything.

            And when those sheeple finally wake up, their cries will fall on deaf ears. Because by then it will be too late.

          • CA

            I had to go look what the subscription price even is for new members–$17.99. From my memory, they have moved that pay scale around from $35 to $9. NN isn’t going to give them any leverage to charge anything more than the high end I remember from back in the day when these sites were in their prime charging $30-40 a month…piracy does not end with NN.

          • Scrapple

            That’s a hefty price point considering the current state of gay porn. And they’ll have the means to justify the increase, rather than simply increasing it without giving a reason.

    • Marik Ishtar

      Who the heck even remembers Tru Calling??? That is quite a reference.

      • Scrapple

        “Everyone knows Tru Calling! That show is forever!” Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to my Day of Dushku by finishing up Tru Calling and then moving on to Dollhouse.

  • Eric from Sweden

    Hmm… I think this is just the way pornsites are likely to work from now on. I remember reading a thread in the Bel Ami Online Forum where I think George Duroy states that the number of members that are downloading scenes are getting fewer and fewer, whilst the members that are streaming the scenes just keep getting more and more. I guess it’s the same over at Sean Cody and that the number of members who still downloads the scenes doesn’t justify the cost of making them downloadable. Or something. My guess is that it has something to do with that. Sean Cody is paying for space/storage capacity to make the scenes available for download, but so few members download the scenes nowadays, that it’s not profitable anymore to pay for all that storage.

    • nick

      I’m not sure that making a scene downloadable costs any more than making it streamable, aren’t you just streaming the same file that you would be downloading ?

      • McM.

        In terms of bandwidth necessary to meet consumer demand downloadable content cost hosting companies the same or less than streaming.

        If 1000 members download a scene a host transfers less data than if the same 1000 members repeatedly streamed the scene. Less work on the servers.

        • Scrapple

          Didn’t SC run into a streaming issue a while back? Something with the wrong edit of a file being sent to the server, but since there are multiple servers it took a while to delete that file and upload the finished scene.

    • Pinko of the Grange

      It is easier the pirate a download then a stream. A download takes a couple of minutes, capture a stream takes as long as the loop is.

      Even if you have no intention of sharing the loop a download is still the better option to the surprising number of people that use DSL.

      • Nate

        only if you’re doing it wrong

  • Matthias M.

    Will the owners do this on their straight websites like Brazzers or Reality Kings? I assume if they don’t, it means Sean Cody isn’t turning enough profit. Either way it sucks. Luckily the site lost it’s luster long ago. My membership is long gone. Good riddance.

    • Marik Ishtar

      Or Sean Cody is making even more money than straight-content and this is their way of gouging costumers.

      • CA

        Sean Cody is hands down the most successful gay porn website with MEN not even in a close second–that’s why MindGeek purchased them.

        My guess is they are trying to figure out how to make more money off of their most lucrative site. What they clearly do not realize, Sean Cody has been a success because they have held steady to a model that it’s consumers trust while other sites have wavered and tried a myriad of ways to increase profits. From Randy Blue to Corbin Fisher, they have tried all kinds of stuff always returning to a standard model Sean Cody always held firm to: Quality porn, Quality guys, a reliable schedule and a flat rate to own the product.

        I have been a member of Sean Cody for over a decade and paid my monthly fee each of those months. After that much time, I will take my $2,000+ dollars and find something else to invest it in.

        You know, I haven’t actually downloaded a SC video in months, and maybe only 5-10 scenes this entire year; the quality has been so poor. Even with that, I never canceled my membership. Well….I will cancel it now and just find another site.

        And I do not know this whole grandfathered plan, because as I said I have been a member for over a decade and I can no longer download scenes.

        • Tim

          i still can, thankfully.

          • atticus

            I have been a SC member for years and when I hover over it says “paid download” But when I click on it, I get the “download for $1.99 tab.

          • Tim

            pardon me while I go back to the site and download essentially every scene I remember enjoying at one point but don’t have anymore. good thing I only really ever got into their bareback content. saves a bit of work.

          • Alann6

            I just downloaded on December 4th.. it said paid download, but I was allowed to download for free.

        • richard_eater

          “If it’s not broke….why fix it”

        • Todd B

          Youre not making sense in your last paragraph. Are you or are you not still able to download?

          • CA

            I can not.

          • Alann6

            That’s not accurate. Members before Dec. can still download free even though it says paid download, I just did it on December 4th.

          • CA

            Mkay, it is true, it wasn’t working for me when I last checked. I emailed customer service.

            It’s still a fraudulent practice for new members and the comment from MG about them aligning the practices of their gay sites to that of the straight ones is weak and opening them up to potentially more fraud.

            The comparison to Netflix is also ridiculous. Netflix was always a rental company. We always went to Netflix to rent movies, never to own them. Gay porn sites were founded with the idea that you can download the content. If they are choosing to change that culture, they should be transparent on the enrollment page about that.

        • seeker630

          I saw the download symbol just to the left of the “three dots’ symbol and clicked on it without noticing it said ‘paid download’, and it worked for me. I have a recurring annual membership with attached subscriptions that I made one-time payments for.
          I hope this new plan will backfire and force them to re-consider, but I’m not sure how many people really download any more.
          And I think it borders on fraud to make the change without any notice or even explicit statements on their Join pages.

        • 2345

          You surprise me. I assumed you cancelled SC last year. Do you really think they’re capable of improving?

        • peter

          Way back when Sean Cody had a DRM, and it was impossible to download there stuff. When their competition (at that time CF, College Dudes, NDS) got rid of theirs they were forced to go along. They came back by producing the best content, which now they’re not doing at all

      • Matthias M.

        I didn’t think of that! Good catch.

  • Robb
  • doodlebug

    There’s something really fishy about this. What with Pauline trying to push Frank into a MEN membership, it’s almost like Mindgeek just wants to be done with Sean Cody. Declining production values, most new models being just meh and know this, they’re trying to run a once great company(maybe the best in gay porn) into the ground. I just can’t figure out why.

    • nbtx27

      I’ve said that for just about 3 years now, I don’t get it either.

      Though I complain about SC’s decline, and current state, MEN is still nowhere near the quality of SC, even today.
      It will never be a substitute.

    • hatefulmoz

      It’s also interesting that Pauline’s defense was that there was an update to the T&Cs of the site; when no such clause addresses this at all.

    • Ninja0980

      Sad to say but once they bought it, that was the beginning of the end for Sean Cody.

  • moondoggy

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6057882a9f4daa6c6f83e758b788d6af469eafe5ba08ea799e25575b65a9fdf7.gif

    This wouldn’t completely suck ass if they had an app for all mobile and set top devices. I would be a Corbin Fisher member now if they had that. Yes, I can stream it on my Mac and mirror it to my Apple TV. I can also start a fire with sunlight and a magnifying glass.

    • James Johnson III

      That gif is everything

    • hatefulmoz

      I do the same, which is why I primarily download.

      Also, fuck Apple – they blanket ban any apps that are adult related as it “violates” their iTunes Store Content Conditions.

  • Elitist

    How is this not a scam if they don’t visibly post this change anywhere.

    • CA

      I just looked at the enrollment page and they advertise under the monthly plan “Full Access”.

      They are setting themselves up for a class action lawsuit with statements like that.

      • seeker630

        I think it’s easy for them to argue they still give full access. You can watch anything on the site – nothing is blocked. I suspect they’ve covered themselves legally. Ethically…that’s a different story!

        • CA

          I disagree–I think they are/will argue that, but the question becomes what is “full” clearly we do not have full access to all of the benefits of the site because we have to pay more to download a scene.

          It would be like Netflix saying you have full access, but once you sign up and log in, you do not have the ability to rent DVD’s only stream them. Which is why Netflix clearly outlines in their plan options what you get with each membership option.

  • AJ

    Who cares. What do you need to download the videos for? Once you’ve streamed/enjoyed them a few times, it’s time to move on to the next update. Do people hoard pornography?

    • James Johnson III

      There are some scenes/movies/performers worth watching even from their early SC days. Speaking personally, I’m a Ryan/Colt Rivers guy and I’m glad to have all of his SC scenes. He was great from the beginning. That’s a collection I’m proud to have

    • Marik Ishtar

      Yea, it’s not as if Sean Cody has ever deleted videos before. Or entire websites disappear without warning.

      • Scrapple

        Suite 703, Drake Rock and Randy Blue still exist on a parallel Earth. Or so I’ve been told.

        • Tim

          i loved a lot of suite 703 videos, and I only came across Drake rock well after his closure on tube sites. wish they were still around.

          • Scrapple

            Men basically stole Suite 703’s look and layout. There can be only one.

            Drake did it the right way. He told people in advance the site was closing so they could collect whatever scenes they wanted, and I believe he had really cheap memberships at the end for people who wanted to get in before the door closed.

          • nbtx27

            You mean Drake was honest? He obviously didn’t move on to SC.

          • nick

            Drake rock did some good assplay videos with hot guys

          • Scrapple

            He had quite a few guys who were either already known or became big deals later. And he was filthy. That voice got me every time. If I’m remembering correctly, he was straight and married when he started that site. Both those things were done by the time he finished.

          • 2345

            I vaguely remember Drake saying he was closing his site. Can you please tell me why he decided to shut down & go offline? I did appreciate his honesty. Thank you

          • Scrapple

            He took on another job that prevented him from keeping up with the site.

          • 2345

            Thank you

      • AJ

        Sure but they have enough updates that the loss of a video here or there shouldn’t matter.

    • Tim

      I wouldn’t call it hoarding. I have all the scenes I like from my various subscriptions on my computer for 1) convenience and 2) sorting. i know exactly where I have to go if I want me some Tommy Defendi vs some Trevor Knight in the mainstream side, have my SC scenes sorted as I prefer (by number of internal cum shots and then by top in the scene) etc. It saves hassle when I absolutely must cum now or when I know exactly what i want.

      • nick

        I salute your organizational skills, I have files all over the place and can never find the one I need right now and end up watching somthin else or just using my imagination

      • AJ

        Fair enough.

      • Ninja0980

        Same here.

    • You can’t figure out why people prefer downloads vs streaming/buffering…?

      • AJ

        I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal because most people seem to get bored with a scene after they’ve watched it a few times. If you’re that passionate about a single scene, pay the $2. It’s going to be the new normal with the loss of net neutrality anyway.

        I get that it was included st one point but companies change their T&Cs as needed to make more money off of us. It happens frequently with many things. If someone is extremely unhappy with it, they should stop sponsoring the product (like the guy in the example provided in the report)

    • Pinko of the Grange

      To each his own I say.

  • TK

    Is it still free on torrent sites? Asking for a friend.

    :o)

    • hatefulmoz

      Pornhub has a spattering of scenes for streaming every so often until it gets deleted.

  • Hari Kalyan

    Paulina: I believe the website does not advertise free downloads anywhere –Translation: Bitch show me where we said it was free??? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7b72e6c7ef5f9ab39e284066e33670fb199d271fb67008f33724cefe46edb9a.gif

  • C3xxx

    Sale of screen cap software just went up.

    • Pinko of the Grange

      Look harder it can be found free and clean…hypothetically.

      • C3xxx

        hypothetically, of course

      • McM.

        What are ya’ll talking about?

        Those things don’t exist.

    • Nate

      You usually don’t need this. I download most videos from the streaming URLs embedded in the page. This is in 90% of the cases just a normal MP4 file that can be downloaded even with better performance than the usual “downloadle” video. Sometimes the videos are fragmented into multiple file and then it takes a little extra effort to merge them. Finally all those years working in IT pay off.
      SketchySex/FratX turned out to be the only sites I wasn’t able to download anyway. But I gave up after 30 minutes already 😀
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a6564e2ccd28e7655ad78052ffd244e309f15e159c2d9ebf6a4ec006b1a0444b.gif

      • Devin

        You should probably keep that on the hush. The studios are already aware that people are doing this, which is a big problem for the entire porn industry right now. Bragging about what you’ve been doing will only encourage them to find new ways to block you from downloading their shit. You think porn studios don’t read this blog? At least it sounds like you’re a paying customer and not just stealing and sharing like a lot of people do, which I never understood

        • Nate

          The solution for the problem was already there: DRM free, unlimited downloads. This is what makes people pay for content: a fair offer.

          • nbtx27

            It may sound fair, but that doesn’t explain all of the tube sites content, and their popularity.
            Though we subscribe to sites, obviously many do not. Fair to many is free– though this move does nothing to solve the problem, and will most likely make it worse.

          • Nate

            I thought majority of tubes sites is owned by Mindgeek? And what is your point? It is very easy to download or screencap the content from any site. It is also easy to upload this to a tube site. Blocking a legal download for a paying customer isn’t preventing this.

          • nbtx27

            I don’t thinkwe are disagreeing, My only point is that we consider a fair offer (paying for a subscription which allows you to download content), those stealing content do not. I don’t know what those not paying today would consider fair.
            I think we agree that this is not a solution.

          • Achidna

            It boils down to this: most of the people stealing porn will never pay for it. Maybe some of them will a little bit, but it’s never going to be a big number. If a porn site magically makes it 100% impossible to pirate their porn, they’re not going to make any more money. They’ll probably lose money because whatever mechanism they use will piss off their legit subscribers and they lose whatever advertising value the piracy brought in.

            It’s stupid and counter productive.

        • Achidna

          Don’t worry, the folks that download this and post it on pirate sites will figure out the technical details just fine. They’re only pissing off their honest paying customers who don’t steal with this move.

      • C3xxx

        You sexy geek you.
        That’s pretty much what’s I’d do for Tube sites *whistles*

        • Nate

          Sometimes I disable web security to allow for crosssite scripting. Pretty badass, huh? And then I inject my own scripts through the javascript console. Are you all hard yet? 😏

      • 2345

        Friendly advice- DO NOT announce such tactics on a public blog. What if MindGeek Stasi try to go after you?

      • hatefulmoz

        You mean there is a way to download the Cole video from Reality Dudes, even though the site is streaming only?

      • Justin Trenton #NotMyPresident

        If you’re an FX member you can download just the new scene each week.

  • OhMyClarence

    I mean, if members are downloading the scenes and then uploading them to Tube sites, then charging to download scenes–which are still free to view for members–is a way for the company to recoup some of the cost lost to Tube sites. The specific change in terms is a bit frustrating, especially if people who previously had the service are coming back; however, it is probably stated in the terms and conditions. The reason it hasn’t spread to sites like Men yet is probably due to the fact that they are trying this out, if it is successful it will likely move onto to different sites owned by the company.

    Honestly, I can’t fault them for this, we all watch content on a variety of sites for free, and it’s fair for companies to try and recoup the loss of revenue.

    • Marik Ishtar

      MindGeek owns those tube sites, and I’ve heard they’ve a way to make money off torrents too.

      • OhMyClarence

        Even if ultimately the money generated from Tubes sites eventually make it back to the Studio doesn’t mean the same amount of money would have made, if all of the people who watch it on Tube sites were traditional paying customers, so there is still a loss. If there wasn’t, all porn would just be freely available on Tubes sites and they rely on the ad revenue.

        • Scrapple

          But you’re missing a key component of the issue. MindGeek owns a bunch of tube sites. They don’t shut down those sites or prevent their content from being uploaded because they make ad revenue on those sites. Also, those sites have content from MG’s competitors. They’re allowing their competitor’s content to be uploaded, which takes money from those competitors while adding more coins to MG’s coffers. That’s one of the reasons they wanted to snag SC, because those scenes were already being heavily pirated. While MG is collecting those pirated coins, it can sit back and wait as those other sites experience anemic profits. Then should the owner of that site be ready to sell, MG can sweep in and purchase it, for a reduced price. Watch, if Bryan ever decides he can’t compete anymore, MG will grab ChaosMen in a heartbeat.

    • Scrapple

      MindGeek owns several huge tube sites, including Pornhub. They are for sure not worried about tube sites.

    • Pinko of the Grange

      I think we have a winner. SC as a test run seems like the simplest answer.

  • Sam Hunter

    Sean Cody can fuck right off with this pay per download shit.

  • Danny Boi

    Can I buy scenes without getting a membership?

    • 2345

      No.

  • WhimsyCotton

    What a dumb move. They should have made every single scene available for individual sale without a sub in addition to their subscription model. Give people more options. Never take them away cough Apple cough. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a29a120649d5785d36648d90d077e3ef4f284ec79ef88371c14f89e23467ce49.gif

    • CA

      Exactly.

      They should have left the member rules as is. If they wanted to add in a pay-per-view option for non-members, GREAT! That would combat issues of piracy more than anything else. If I wasn’t a member and all I had to do to watch a scene is pay $1.99, that would be enticing.

      • Casey Scott

        Agreed! I’d gladly pay $1.99-$4.99 per scene if it was a good one!

  • peter

    It sounds like MG is trying to kill the Sean Cody brand. Now even members are going to hit the file-sharing sites if they want to hold on to a scene, so why bother joining in the first place?

  • Tim

    I’m a bit angry about this and a bit not angry, for various reasons. First, I’m glad I’m a legacy member because I still like a lot of what they put out. Second, the scene from today with Jayden was epic, and that isn’t getting attention because of this. Third, there are so many bigger fish to fry in the world right about now. Fourth, I also am worried that MindGeek is butchering their best site on purpose or accident. But Fifth, every bad business decision will be made at some point in the history of business. Trust MindGeek to bite off this particular low hanging fruit. If this results in them dialing back, like they did with scene limits a few years ago, and finding a middle ground where you pay a few bucks extra a month to download, much like GISP was last time I was a member there, well, then all will be ok with the world. but at least give the guy a refund, amirite?

    • Scrapple

      At any time, and without cause, subscription to the service may be terminated by either: MG Billing, the Site, or the Subscriber upon notification of the other by electronic or conventional mail, by chat, or by telephone. Subscribers are liable for charges incurred until the date of the termination.

      That was copied from SC’s Terms and Conditions. There’s nothing stopping them from cancelling legacy accounts, for any reason, provided they give notice. And should that start slowly happening, I would not be surprised.

      • Tim

        ouch. I’d want them to notify me and give me a bit of a refund. I paid for several years upfront. still have almost 2 years prepaid left.

        • Pinko of the Grange

          They would have to pay you for the remaining time. Prorated of course.

      • Marik Ishtar

        I’m calling it. There will be a mass data corruption scandal and accounts will need to be deactivated. They’ll offer Men subscriptions as compensation, but unfortunately, all legacy status will be lost.

        • Scrapple

          As a Marvel Boy, I demand we call it “The Legacy Virus.”

    • Alann6

      I agree, the scene with Jayden and Kaleb was great… the best SC scene in a long time.

  • CamCam

    From what I’ve seen, Sean Cody is a looks pretty lame so this right here could mark the beginning of the end and I’d be cool with that.

  • peter

    I would say I have about 400 of the available scenes and maybe 20 of the no longer available classics featuring Sean, Zack, Adam, Dylan, etc.

    • James Johnson III

      Wasn’t Zack just beautiful?!

      • Ninja0980

        He was the best.
        I like to think he and Sean rode off into the sunset together given how obvious it was that they were into each other.

    • Ninja0980

      I had money of them as well… then I got a virus and that was that.

  • Pinko of the Grange

    Was it Sean Cody or Corbin Fisher that you had to be a member for 3 months before they let you download?

    Helix used to have a download membership and a stream option with a Roku channel for $10 less.

    Ragging Hot Falcon has loops for sale in their stores without a paid membership.

    Any one remember having to use “tokens”? Colt still uses them so do the French sites.

    • CA

      Randy Blue had plans like that right before they fell into the abyss of irrelevance.

  • Todd B

    Jesus I hate bitches like that not hearing what you’re saying and then trying to get you to buy something totally different. AND NO REFUND! I’d call my CC company and dispute the charge for fraudulent business practices.

  • Devin

    Sean Cody is trash. I’ve said it before. The site hasn’t been good since the days of Calvin, Joshua, etc. So like several years already and they keep going downhill. They can’t seem to pull the same talent anymore. The camera work is shitty. I thought about signing up on Black Friday because there was a discount, but decided that even with the discount it wouldn’t be worth it. Reading the chat between the customer and the billing rep was frustrating and I’m not even the customer. This is just wrong. What’s worse is they know it, but can’t refund him due to the terms they have with Sean Cody. The customer should contact Sean Cody directly for a refund. Sean Cody should also update their website and make it clear to potential customers that there are extra fees in addition to the monthly membership fee if you want to download their videos.

  • Heauxme

    Gosh this fucking homophobic conglomerate is being just as greedy as the GOP.

  • Dana Rimons

    I hope they see their new customer sign ups drop drastically to where they need to undo this mess.

  • Buzzaki

    Sounds like a thought-out strategic decision to me, although their manner of implementation was poorly executed. Two bucks to download a vid that you can just watch as part of your membership without downloading? To an average newbie who comes along and knows nothing about legacy memberships, it can sound pretty reasonable. The shitstorm comes from people who have been members previously who want to return.

    • CA

      I disagree. Most people who purchase porn jump around from studio to studio and they will realize this is an added cost most other studio’s don’t implement…and they will def. be pissed when it’s not mentioned in the advertisement to become a member.

      There are a few smaller studios who do weird membership scaling–English Lads comes to mind–and I have never joined once I read the fine print of what I get for my $30 subscription.

      • seeker630

        Do you think most people bother to download now? I’m beginning to suspect we’re a minority. Streaming subscriptions seem to be the norm in mainstream media.

        • Tim

          so many sties are streaming only now, and a lot of them try to be as broad as possible. but I don’t do streaming, and I’m not sure why one would most of the time. I get it as a way of maybe seeing if it is worth it to download but i’ve never much liked the tube sites, though I do sometimes go on them when I want/need something I can’t download elsewhere.

          • seeker630

            I think that the growth of mobile devices (smart phones & tablets) is changing the landscape. For younger people, these devices are being used more than desktops & laptops,except for students, and they rely on streaming and cloud-based storage. it’s not uncommon in porn now to see the performers watching porn on their phones.

            There are some sites that let you buy a scene and keep it cached in the cloud, which is sort of hybrid model.

            It would be interesting to know the age demographics for porn viewers. But I think that those of us who download to local storage are becoming a smaller part of the base.

          • Tim

            I am 31. I’d like to think my tactics are not completely out of the mainstream yet. then again, I finally bought a PS4 2 months ago so, maybe you have a point.

          • seeker630

            I just found some data from PornHub; three years ago, they said that the average age of the American porn viewer was 35.

          • Justin Trenton #NotMyPresident

            Streaming saved music and movies. For decades sales kept going down due to illegal downloading. Then streaming started to take off and revenue went up. Downloading music/movies is now obsolete to most teens, they just stream. That could be where porn goes in the future. They should experiment with a cheap stream-only option. Maybe $4.99 a month? They can add on 1080p & 4k streaming on a chromecast and they’ll have a winner. 4k files tend to be too big to download. But, streaming in 4k to a big screen tv looks amazing.

        • CA

          Possibly, but if that is the case why try to over commoditize a dying segment of loyal members for the possibility of ostracizing them? I would guess there has been little change in the streaming/downloading habits of porn subscribers.

          • seeker630

            I don’t really understand why they would do this. It does discourage people who formerly joined for a month several times a year & downloaded all the newer stuff.

            For those of us who maintain an ongoing subscription, there is now extra incentive not to let the subscription lapse. Anyone who retains ‘free’ download privileges and quits in protest loses that privilege.

            Why do YOU think they did it?

  • ANTSLC

    This explains why I saw a strange new way of downloading the new Saturday update. I didn’t have to pay because as you mention, legacy members do not have to. This is really strange for SeanCody to do. Is there a precedence for this with other companies over the years?

  • moondoggy

    LOL — I knew someone would call me out on that. The only time I watch porn on my phone is when I’m on my way to a fuck. I watch porn on my computer when I’m collecting it, not when I’m jacking off to it. In all areas of life, technology is convincing people to settle for lesser versions of what they had. Phones with bad connections. News reporting through tweets instead of articles. Clothes that only sorta look the way they’re supposed to because it was easier to buy them sight unseen. Porn is where I draw the line.

    Oh wait, I draw the line at those other things too.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a8c428148512ad1645d15d125845bd21badbffecbb27a31ec1c6fd4d05cfa4b.gif

    • CA
      • Scrapple

        The timeliness of you using a Matthew Daddario gif given the current controversy with Dominic Sherwood is not lost on me.

        • CA

          Oh, I don’t know the controversy, I am just obsessed with Daddario…he went to my high schools rival school; I would have spent more time across the park had I known all of that was over there. I just read Page Six though and he is working hard to help save his friends job. I guess that’s admirable…but I never cared much for Sherwood, so he can certainly remain dust.

          • Scrapple

            I saw the video and I can understand why Matthew is getting semi-dragged for what happened. It obviously wasn’t the first time Dominic has used that greeting, which makes you wonder why Matthew would allow that. Either he saw nothing wrong with it, or he is one. Messy all around.

            I’m glad Sarah Hyland and Dominic were already dunzo when this happened. That would’ve made for an awkward return to the Modern Family set.

          • CA

            I thought Matt called him out right away?

          • Scrapple

            Sort of. His first reaction is to gasp and try to cover the laptop, and he’s yelling at him to stop because he’s live streaming. He’s somewhat laugh/smiling at this point, which could’ve been a shock reflex. Then when Dominic is still offscreen thinking he can’t come in because of his clothes, Matthew gets up and whispers to him offscreen. Not sure what was said but you can hear Dominic say “Cool” then Matthew comes back and makes a quip about a background actor making a bad decision and somewhat laughs it off while still trying to process what to do. It’s hard to explain if you haven’t seen the vid.

    • Scrapple

      You watch phone porn on your way to a trick’s place? That’s cheating!

      • Marcus Collack

        That’s called thoughtfulness, and making sure everyone has a good time.

  • nbtx27

    They can offer streaming only, but they need to state what you are paying for on their join page. That is just BS to hide that from potential ssubscribers..
    SC has sucked for 3 years, but this may be the end of the site. Maybe that is what they want?

  • 2345

    Frank, be sure to dispute your 1 CC charge from SC as you cancelled before your membership kicked in. You should be able to dispute it online accessing your CC account. BTW I wonder how many “legacy” members there really are.

  • Mitch

    Pfft.. I have been illegally downloading Sean Cody scenes for years. I have never given them a single cent, and I never plan to. Suck my butt Sean Cody

    • nbtx27

      I’m happy you are proud of being a thief.

      • Mitch

        Oh my god, thank you so much darlin’ 😍😘

      • peter

        I was thinking parasite myself

        As someone who has spent thousands over the years, I’ve never gotten filesharing. I swap scenes with friends, but why would I give people I don’t know access to something for which I’ve paid good money? I don’t know how these sites continue to stay afloat. The quality of the scenes has suffered as the piracy increased.

        Rylan says he was paid $4-5k/scene back in ’09. I doubt they can pay anything like that now.

        • Ninja0980

          Tis true.
          Piracy has more or less ruined many porn sites/studios.

        • Mitch

          boohoo.

    • Ninja0980

      You are the reason sites do stuff like this.

      • Mitch

        Yes.

      • Achidna

        Probably, but it’s still stupid.

        Management sees all the rampant piracy and gets dollar signs in their eyes thinking they can turn the people who steal porn into paying customers. Not gonna happen. So they do some batshit stupid thing like restricting downloads, which only affects the people that already tried to give them money.

        “People are stealing, I have a great idea, let me piss off the people who aren’t stealing. That’ll fix it!”

  • 2345

    OK. I hope the Bye Bitch wasn’t for me lol

  • TheThom

    Despite my “legacy”, I canceled my membership after reading this. If you’re going to charge people for something you are already charging people for, it should be worth paying twice for it. Lately, it hasn’t even been worth paying once.

    The latest update of Jaden and Kaleb with the whole first forever minutes of it full of whichever one fake fangirling over bottoming for the alleged first time, I literally cussed the screen and shut my computer down.

    Goodbye, Shit Cody.

  • peter

    When Sean Cody was great: Willis and Aidan, Jarek and Christian, Jess and Jaime, Brooks and Cain, ?, Rylan, Trey, Curtis in Palm Springs.

    Who’s in that middle scene on the bottom? The hair of the top (from the bottom) looks like Curtis

  • Ninja0980

    Glad I saw this before I joined.
    Lost some old films and was going to try and get them back but after this, no way in hell will I give them a dime.

  • RBLover

    ALERT ALERT ALERT!!! I have been a longtime member way before Dec 1st. The download page does not ask me to pay. If you hover your mouse over the arrow, it says “Paid Download”. So I clicked and it downloads….THE TRAILER ONLY!!!! They are lying!! Even for “legacy” members the videos are no longer available for download, Only trailers! This has got to be illegal!

    • seeker630

      I downloaded the full “Jayden & Kaleb” scene on Saturday (Dec 2) and the Marty scene today (Dec 4) without any trouble. When I clicked on the Download icon, the menu gives me the choice of downloading EITHER the trailer or the scene (in various formats/sizes).
      If you selected scene & didn’t get it, I’d suggest you contact Customer Support.

      • Alann6

        You are right, it gives you a choice of the trailer or full scene.

  • Adam

    Why Mind Geek want to kill Sean Cody so badly? From the quality drop to this new membership policy…

  • treasuretrail

    I know an app/site that always has every new SC video available to stream or download for free nearly as soon as it’s posted on the SC site itself. From 1 to 10 sources of every new video. So…this move likely won’t do anything but hurt their bottom line even more.

  • cphotee

    So when did Billy Santoro take over SC? 🙄

  • Happy Days

    What actually happened to Sean Cody. Was he the guy that used to appear in the videos when the site started? Then stopped showing up after a while? I really haven’t watched their videos in a while and didn’t know it got this bad?

  • squash4dave

    Are you sure about this? I just went to try and download something and no fee showed up, like in your picture. It was working as usual, unless it only applies to new memberships, but how would they distinguish old from new. Or is this going to start at some future date?

    • squash4dave

      Okay. I got it. I’m a legacy member and that’s why I’m not being charged a fee, but I think that sucks. We’ve never been like the straight porn side, so trying to model the site on one is bull. I haven’t joined sites that don’t let me download, for that very reason. There are many sites where you can download videos for free, even though you don’t belong to that website. I think that they will see a drop off of revenue, but we’ll have to wait and see.

    • Alann6

      It only applies to new members in December. Anyone who was a member before can still download free.

  • Get_Loud2

    wow sean cody try to become Lucas entertainment V2 huh ???

  • Bill

    People still pay to watch porn? i mean you can find anything online for free.

  • nbtx27

    I read SC’s reply to your inquiry. Of course, they are free to change their model for new subscribers, it doesn’t matter if we agree with it. They say they aren’t changing terms for existing subscribers.
    However, it is not clear, actually not even stated on the Join page, that the monthly fee is for streaming only, and that downloads will be at an additional cost. SC needs to make this clear, it should not be deceptive. Then consumers can make a fully informed decision regarding subscribing or not.
    I will not subscribe to streaming only sites, not sure if I am in the majority or minority on this issue.

  • i hate shady business moves. it’s fine to decide you will charge for downloads from now on, but you should have advertised on your website.

  • William K McCullough

    I’ve been a member almost since day one and my current membership has 800 days left on it….But I would Never join the site if it did not offer free downloads. Has anyone else noticed that the updates have really slowed down/