[Updated] Men.com’s Bisexual Scene Has A 24% Favorable Rating, Making It The Most Disliked Scene In Men.com History

Posted July 31, 2018 by with 358 comments

5Bisexual scenes released by gay porn studios are nothing new (Corbin Fisher does it almost every single week, NextDoorStudios has done it many times over the years, and the early days of Sean Cody regularly featured bi scenes), so I’m not sure why so many pitchfork wielding gay porn fans on social media and gay porn blogs are losing their minds over the bisexual scene (“The Challenge”) coming from Men.com tomorrow. Is it because this is the first time Men.com has released a bisexual scene? With all the stupid bullshit going on in the world right now, I think there are more upsetting things than two guys and a girl fucking.

12 16This scene isn’t being released until tomorrow, but paying members of Men.com (the only people who can rate scenes by clicking the “like” or “dislike” button on the scene’s page) have already given it a major thumbs down, with a rating of just 26%:

26UPDATE:

Now that it’s been released, the scene has received even more dislikes, and it’s now dropped down to a rating of just 25%:

25UPDATE 2:

Just how low can it go? Now it’s even lower, at 24%:

drop4To put this in perspective, “The Challenge” is now the most disliked Men.com scene of all time. Yikes

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Most scenes (including upcoming scenes that haven’t been released yet, like “The Challenge“) have a rating of at least 70% (most are actually above 90%). Going back through the years and looking at old scenes, I couldn’t find any with a rating less than 74%:

scenes1 scenes2 scenes4 scenes3According to a press release from Men.com, they produced “The Challenge” because a “surprisingly large number” of their customers asked for a bisexual scene:

Hey everyone, after asking our users what they would like to see, a surprisingly large number asked for a fully bisexual scene. “The Challenge” releases tomorrow.

Really? Maybe Men.com considers 24% a “surprisingly large number” of their customers.

17Obviously, “The Challenge” is a deliberate stunt from Men.com, and it has nothing to do with what their customers want. But, if all they wanted was negative attention, they have been successful in that regard (if you consider hundreds of angry, misogynistic, and biphobic blog comments a “success”).

As noted above, bisexual scenes from gay porn studios aren’t new, so this shouldn’t be a big deal. But, if Men’s customers want to criticize the studio for not giving them the product they’re paying for (people join the site for gay porn scenes, not bi porn scenes), then that’s fair. Using the scene to leave comments degrading women or bisexuals, however, is not fair, and people doing that are no better than the straight men who would insult gays if they saw gay sex in a scene on a straight site to which they subscribed (not that any straight studio would dare alienate its straight customers by showing them a bi scene with two men and one woman, like Men.com has done to its gay customers). Men is trolling us with this scene (they knew it would provoke angry responses), so the best thing to do is a) don’t watch it, b) don’t comment on it, or c) cancel your Men membership and join a gay porn studio that only releases gay porn scenes.

19Is Men.com going to gain new customers because of this scene? I doubt it, but if anyone joins Men.com using any links on this page, I can track it and will report back any significant numbers. Here’s the trailer for “The Challenge,” and while I haven’t seen the full scene yet, it’s quite clear that the best performer in the scene is the female, Silvia Saige. If you’re a gay porn studio and the only entertaining part about your new scene is the girl, you might have a problem…

[Men.com: Arad Winwin, Daxx Carter, Silvia Saige]

  • Jace

    If Men want to start uploading bi scenes, then get a new site or a different membership portal (which is what Corbin Fisher does with its non-gay material). Subscribers aren’t paying to watch this shit.

    • Sorry, but unless subscribers are watching every single last Men scene and love every single premise, every performer, every pairing etc. then this argument holds zero value. If subscribers don’t want to watch ONE scene on a megasite because it contains stuff they’re not into, they can either stop paying or just choose to not watch that one scene. Either way, nothing excuses the level of biphobia or misogyny that seems to be involved here.

      • MC.EMC2

        So demanding that a gay studio endorsed by gay people’s money release only gay scenes is now biphobic and misogynist. So it’s then not homophobic for these studios to try to shove this content down our throats even with all the negative feedback they receive. Yeah clearly it’s biphobia and not homophobia the real issue here, right?

        • Kraterus

          The real problem here is that many people seem to believe that the fact that we gay people are oppressed, should have as a primary consequence the blind acceptance of any kind of behaviour and opinion, as long as it doesn’t deviate from a set of rules that can be best described as “tolerance is always good unless someone conservative says something, every single member of every single minority is a victim by default, and any kind of sexual behaviour should be acceptable in the eyes of gay people”. Which is, of course, an ideological imposition and a very unfair view that forces us to accept things that we don’t want to, or shouldn’t.

          The truth is that not all women are allies and even if they are, there isn’t any need to integrate them into every single aspect of gay life as an act of canine, subservient gratitude for the favour of accepting us. Expressing rejection to the idea o sexual fluidity and engaging in sexual acts with women shouldn’t be viewed as misogynistic, but simply as a fair manifestation of dislike for many gay men. the fact that some might use stronger words or be more passionate about it than needed, is irrelevant. There are arseholes everywhere and we have to put up with them whether we like them or not. However, the fact that some people are unreasonable, doesn’t mean that every form of criticism or manifestation of revulsion should be silenced by shouts of “misogyny!”.

          Second, bisexual people are VERY different from gay people, and this ideological current that has gained force over the last decade or so, which seems to tell us that they are somehow more enlightened than monosexuals, and that sleeping around is a form of higher consciousness to which we all should aspire, is nonsense. No one has the obligation to accept having opposite-sex desires and relationships shoved into their faces, because gay spaces are precisely that: GAY. Bisexual people don’t have a right to impose anything on anyone and the air of smug superiority with which they treat homosexuals (which they would never even dream of displaying among anyone who was straight), is tiresome at best. And if this is biphobia, oh well – so be it. Apparently, not telling people exactly what they want to hear (in spite of the fact that they are good at dishing out criticism themselves) is an act of the utmost discrimination nowadays.

          No, we don’t have the obligation to modify our spaces to adapt them to the needs of others and no, we don’t have the obligation to accept everything and anything just because we are gay, as an act of gratitude for not being spat on.

          Finally, this scene has proven to be unpopular, but Men.Com have what they wanted: publicity and people talking. So Zack is right – if we ignore it and simply leave Men, they will have to re-assess their business model.

        • My mentions of biphobia and misogyny are in reference to the biphobic and misogynistic comments on the actual video that are referred to in the post, not to people having an issue in the first place. It’s the extremity of the reaction I have an issue with, not the reaction itself. Slow your roll.

      • Jace

        When sites intended for straight men start uploading bi porn where the two men interact with each other (rather than just pound the woman and don’t touch each other except for high fiving) then you you can come here and go SJW on my ass. It’s always gay men who carry the labels. I have no problem with bi porn; just create a separate site for it. Corbin Fisher has been doing just that, and getting people to pay for it, for well over a decade.

      • Todd B

        Oh FFS! Take your biphobia and misogyny accusations and shove em up your ass!

        • Alright, dickhead, my accusations of biphobia and misogyny are in reference to the comments on the actual video, not to people having an issue in the first place. It’s the extremity of the reaction I have an issue with, not the reaction itself.

          • TB

            OMG Dude! You go back to a comment from 2 weeks ago. FUCKING let it go!
            WOW!

  • mikeg824

    Can you link to the press release from Men? I would love to read it

  • MC.EMC2

    Is anyone surprised at the ratings? And honestly they deserve all the backlash that they’re receiving, I don’t know why this blog is implying that the people who are offended or angry towards this scene are the ones who actually deserve criticism.

    • Zachary Sire

      People who are “offended” by something like this don’t necessarily deserve criticism (unless they’re making hateful comments about women or bisexuals), but they’re being trolled MEN (who knew this scene would provoke angry responses), and so I think they’re wasting their time. At the same time, if actual MEN customers want to call out and criticize MEN for not giving them the kind of product they’re paying for (people join the site for gay porn, not bi porn), then that is of course fair, and those customers should cancel their memberships.

      • MC.EMC2

        Agreed. People have EVERY right to voice their dissatisfaction with this scene/studio. We’re going on a very dangerous direction now in gay porn where it feels less and celebratory of gay content and behaviour (G4P abound, gay studios releasing bi/str8 scenes, homophobic performers/directors).

      • Maximus

        Why would a porn studio—or any business, for that matter—troll its own customers?

        • Zachary Sire

          lol…it’s bizarre, but I can only assume that they think all the attention (as negative as it is) will draw more eyeballs to their site, and result in more customers. And they probably assume that the customers who are pissed off won’t hold it against them, and will eventually forget about it by the end of the week. This scene is just a one-time thing, and I don’t think they’d be stupid enough to do it again anytime soon.

          • some charge

            MEN don’t even promote this scene on their Twitter anymore, and even people like MacNamara who usually defend this bullcrap are keeping their mouths shut like this scene never existed. I think they’ve expected negative feedback but not so much.

          • TB

            Same on Arad’s social media.

          • Hush-ins

            They erased the tweets saying they heard their customer’s feedback according to one commenter here. If it’s actually true, trolling seems to be a less plausible and genuine experiment and poor business decision becomes more logical.
            Of course it can be an elaborate part of trolling from their part, but that’s a lot of work.

          • Pinko of the Grange

            Don’t you have talk to real live person to cancel? They will probably offer a free 90 day subscription to one of their other sites to keep you, hoping you will pay for the new membership on day 91.

          • Maximus

            The people at MEN need to learn how to pull better stunts. Stunts should be fabulous and laudable. “All publicity is good publicity” messiness isn’t a good look; it’s far too Trumpian.

            Example of a proper stunt: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f064b46aef860590aca07a87163c14c60b2dbd9b1c74ebc921bbac6147baed24.gif

  • Silver64

    MEN had a Tweet up yesterday, and when I replied to it, there were about 50 or so replies. There were a couple looking forward to this scene, but all the rest were savage regarding them going in this direction.. Today I looked for it, and no surprise, that Tweet has disappeared.

    It was, if my memory serves me correctly, roughly like ” We’ve been listening to our fans..blah blah blah” The responses were absolutely vicious. If they really are listening to the fans, Arad would have bottomed by now, Diego would have given up that ass, and we’d never have to see Jake Porter again.

    • Xzamilloh

      I just do not like Arad as a top. He’s not convincing at all. Someone like Austin Wolf, who isn’t that large, is still a great top, because he’s beefy as all hell, and the thrust action is A+. And he bottoms every now and then.

      • Jace

        In porn terms, Austin Wolf is huge. He’s over 6 foot and 200 pounds in an industry where most performers are struggling to reach 5’8″. That Arad continues to get work is a testament to how shitty Men in particular (as they seem to use him the most) and the industry in general, is at the moment. For a start, that dick doesn’t belong on a top.

        • Xzamilloh

          I meant large as in “endowed.” Austin Wolf’s dick isn’t that big compared to other tops out there, but I still buy it because he puts his hips and ass into thrusting, and he’s thicc.

      • some charge

        Austin bottomed last time when dinosaurs still roamed the Earth, and his big fat ass is made for being pounded hard

    • Isiah Singleton

      Arad is trying to do damage control on Twitter

  • sanfv

    Hear me out for 4ish minutes, Y’all.

    Are there other things happening in the world? Certainly. I live in SF,and the whole Bay Area is mourning Nia Wilson and her murder. There’s a lunatic in power and so many others things happening?

    Am i mad about this? In execution, not really. MEN gonna do, what MEN wants to do. They havent pulled the vids of racists, homophobes, and only recently had a slight clapback at Bruno Bernal.

    I think what’s the main talking points are two things.

    1) Why on their main site? Why is that gay porn has to be the litmus test for everything while straight porn has their sites in line with what their audience. There are cetainly bi men that watch brazzers, go to a gay porn site for man on man and any and all combination with other types of porn. It’s not that hard, googling takes a second. We’re in position now, as gay and queer men, to no longer follow the trope of worshiping heterosexuality. I teach college and all the queer youth entering are out, loud and proud and know that they can be femme tops with high voices and more than that. The worship of heterosexuality in gay culture is in its death throws, and gay men saying i dont wanna see a gay man have sex with a woman is a valid response.

    2) Arad’s history. I’m torn about this. Many gay and queer men try to pass as straight, live straight lives and for Arad, knowing his story publicly was something that hit many at their core. When I was at UC Berkeley. , my room mate was in the hastings law school interning at an office that represented clients from the middle east that were applying for asylum. The stories they told about being forced to have sex with women to prove they were “straight” just not to be hanged was horrifying. I can understand him wanting to take power back and say something along the lines of fuck you Iran, watch me fuck this woman as a gay man, but I think thats far from the whats happening. I dont think Arad is a liar, but it’s kinda sad to see this Gay man with this particular story be the one to do the deed. I can say with certainty that if it was Billy Santoro, we’d all be laughing our asses off and making fun but thats not whats happening.

    End of the day, it’s just another gay man having sex with a woman for money. Some of us did it for survival, some of us did it to deny ourselves and others did for curiosity. I think the vitriol coming from this stems from Gay and Queer men not wanting to see this on a site for gay porn.

    Any ways, anyone see Attack on Titan season 3?

    • Scrapple

      The fact this poorly conceived porn parody of “Threesome” (featuring Bieber’s future daddy-in-law) includes a model named Silvia is not lost on me. Because I’m sure after watching Arad go all “Not Without My Daughter Vagina” there will be plenty of dejected gays who will want to get their Plath on.

      Jokes and shade aside, I’m really hoping people don’t go in on Arad. Given his backstory I can’t help but feel like this has the potential to be another Arpad Miklos in the making.

      • Isiah Singleton

        Arpad got really depressed after his str84pay movie nobody wants to hire him and he started his own website but no one subscribe he actually know before the straight 4 pay movie that he was going to regret it but he still done the film years after that he took his own life

        • Ulf Raynor

          I find that to be a dubious conjecture, it wasn’t a big secret back then that Arpad in his youth in Hungary, had been married to a woman and had kids with her.
          I think there was far more going on with Arpad than feeling rejected by gay porn consumers.

          • Estelle

            Arpad didn’t have kids and wasn’t married. Where do you come up with this bullshit?

          • sanfv

            Sis, we need this tea!

          • Ulf Raynor

            It was in an article years ago with his roomate..the one who found him dead.

          • Isiah Singleton

            Where the the article?

          • Ulf Raynor

            As stated, it was years ago, right after his death, it wasn’t important enough for me to make notation of it, Arpad was/is one of my all time favorite performers.

          • Isiah Singleton

            Actually his boyfriend found him dead it was in the sword blog. You don’t got no poof

    • Voz

      Sanfv I completely agree with you on both points! also btw the one thing that really got me was the Attack on Titan season 3 part, I havent started but i plan on watching it ASAP!

      • nick

        I really can’t get into Attack on Titan, I just don’t get it, also vaginas I don’t get.

  • Scrapple

    Poor Arad. He agreed to lazily fuck a vagina because he’s scared of being deported. This is why we need immigration reform.

    The Challenge? I don’t seen any people from The Real World and Road Rules Random Reality TV Programs. There are so many better titles they could’ve picked. Two Guys, a Girl and a Penis Place. Me, Myself & Bi. Three the Hard Bored Way. Double Draggin’. THABTO (Ghostwriter, what a trip). Or Zoboomafoo. Any of these would’ve been much more interesting.

    Also, why Silvia? Surely they could’ve gone with some in-house female talent. Or was Dora not available?

  • doodlebug

    One of the things I most enjoyed from last years award show was the opening video that reminded us that gay porn was at the forefront of the gay liberation movement. A cornerstone of that movement for at the the last three generations is that being gay is innate to an individual and not something one can switch on and off. Now with the fluidity movement gaining steam we’re told that you can CHOOSE to be attracted to men one day women the next, that sexuality is just a smorgasbord and you shouldn’t limit yourself. That can be a slap in the face to those of us that can’t and don’t really want to be fluid. And by using one of the few models that still actually identifies as gay (not bi, not pan, not queer, not fluid, but actually gay) it furthers that thought that it’s a choice. That’s my problem with this scene.

    • B.C.

      Your comment is right on point. That’s what bothered me the most – Arad, self proclaimed gay man, doesn’t belong in this scene. With so many G4pay performers they pick a gay one?! And what was Arad thinking, was he thinking at all? He’ll have lot of damage control and explaining to do.
      For me It is very simple: I don’t watch bi scenes or straight porn because I don’t find women attractive. Never had sex with a woman ’cause I knew very early on that I only like men. Don’t believe that makes me misogynistic. If it does, I don’t give a damn.

    • Ulf Raynor

      I absolutely agree with you, I didn’t spend the last 40 years of my life fighting the likes of Tony Perkins, the moral majority and almost the entire religious right and the GOP about my sexuality being a choice, only to have a bunch of bi/pan sex actors push the false narrative that sexuality is fluid for everyone with an open mind.
      I’m goldstar gay, I’ve never wanted or desired to have sex with a woman and doubt I could even get, let alone retain an erection with one.
      As for Men doing a bi scene, I have no problem with it, won’t be watching but wouldn’t dream of standing in the way of those who do enjoy such scenes; but seriously, Men have been pushing having women in their scenes for quite some time and I doubt that this came from their viewer base rather more than likely a push by the performers.

      • nick

        My biggest worry with every other actor claiming they chose to be polyamarouslybixesualnonbinary is it implies that with the right motivation you can choose to be straight too if you wanted to, that motivation being the kind of thing they do at conversion camps.

        • Ulf Raynor

          Exactly, most, I have observed, treat it like a fad, doing what everyone else is doing, saying they tried it too and it was great, then go right back to being gay.
          Just because you can do something, doesn’t necessitate that you should or have to do it or that it is something you would do on your own without peer pressure.
          This is exactly why I think Arad did what he did, I don’t think that Arad is now bi or str8 because of it.
          I will in no way condemn Arad for doing what millions of gay men do, all over the world, for various reasons every day.

          • some charge

            only bi and str8 men fuck women, so no, he’s not gay

          • Ulf Raynor

            I live in West Virginia, one of the most homophobic places in the US, I can literally introduce you to dozens of now openly gay men who forced themselves to have sex with women in high school and college to cover the fact they were gay.
            I’m betting all of them would laugh in your face for such a stupid assumption.

          • some charge

            I don’t care, they’re not gay

          • Ulf Raynor

            Then you should consider yourself both fortunate and lucky you’ve never known the kind of fear, persecution and self loathing that can compel you to act contrary to your nature.
            Your persistence in judging others and persecuting them is however solely something we can all lay at your doorstep.
            Your lack of empathy for the suffering of others is repulsive an disgusting.

          • MK

            That’s a stupid excuse, I also grew up in a very homophobic culture much worse than your West Virginia and there was nothing anyone could do that would make me live a lie and have sex or a relationship with a woman. I hear these lame excuses all the time and laugh. A gay man who is exclusively attracted to men don’t get an erection for a woman, no matter how hard he tries.

          • Aunnez Stfleur

            Maybe unless they think of. Men while they’re doing it

          • MK

            That couldn’t work with me. You’re still physical having sex with a gender you aren’t attracted to. It’s like having sex with an animal. My penis just wouldn’t allow it, no matter what I feed my brain with. Why would anyone want to torture themselves like that anyway? That’s some real F up mental shit to put yourself through, just to live a lie.

          • Ulf Raynor

            I’m goldstar gay, zero sexual attraction for women and I find vaginas visually repulsive
            But between the ages of 13 and 30, I was a walking talking erection and not by choice, the wind brushing against my leg could involuntarily cause an erection.
            If you think a woman determinedly sucking my dick in a dark room wouldn’t have inevitably caused me to erect your sadly mistaken.

          • Maximus

            Oh, it is ABSOLUTELY a fad and all about being marketable to a wider audience. The ones who drive me crazy are the B-list or lesser celebrities (because A-listers are already famous enough) like Nico Tortorella, who identifies as pansexual and gender queer, and yet he’s a traditionally masculine male married to a traditionally feminine female. Sorry ho, but you’re just a basic-ass bisexual man in an unsatisfying marriage.

          • nick

            I don’t get why actors have to announce these things, is there a massive pansexual audience just waiting to identify with someone, if there is then good luck, we’ve still not really had a decent gay character in a movie yet.

          • Maximus

            It’s the thirst. Bitches are full on dehydrated and need every last Twitter follower that they can get.

          • Ulf Raynor

            By Nico’s own account he has stated he has been monogamous with his now wife, since the beginning of their relationship, that was over ten years ago, Nico just turned 30, so he’s basically saying he hasn’t had sex with a guy since he was a teenager, if he ever did then.
            Nico’s an attention whore and will say anything to get it.

          • Maximus

            I thought that he and the wife were polyamorous gender fluid pansexuals, like that’s their brand.

          • Ulf Raynor

            His wife identifies as a lesbian, she has a girlfriend. They have an open relationship because of that, but he stated he has always been monogamous with her.
            He has also stated he has never, nor could he ever, be in a relationship with another man because he can’t emotionally connect with other men.
            So how he self identifies as a polyamorous pansexual is a question only he can answer.

          • Maximus

            Actually, Jenna Maroney is perfectly capable of answering that question as well: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3578ab5ec5f571ca2b907b33adc145410c4b76eebfe9f1441aadab728f75f256.gif

    • Josephine Parico

      When Arad identify as “gay” that might mean he’s not straight but he’s still attracted to women. You know, bisexuality is a dirty word among gay men. Just saying…

      • FeydRautha

        And I don’t think you’re in any position to dictate to GAY MEN how they should feel about having str8 sex imposed on them in their spaces… Josephine.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/471112d08fe720b752816f1d989c1fc205c98ff426b543090c168435bb2d24df.gif

        • Josephine Parico

          It’s bisexual sex, not straight sex. Duh!

        • Julio Grandeur

          Damn, who is forcing you to A) subscribe to Men and B) watch every video they release?

          The answer is no one. Nothing is being imposed on you lol

          • FeydRautha

            Did I say anything about me, in particular, in my comment, dimwit?

            And it is an imposition on their subscribers who have stiffed out of a GAY porn update with this nonsense.

          • Josephine Parico

            But gay men here are ENTITLED BITCHES. They think the NON-STRAIGHT PORN world revolves around them. Pathetic!

      • Ulf Raynor

        In principle I agree with you about the overall negative perceptions of bisexual males by gay men, but don’t you think it rather odd that so many gay men would hold this viewpoint without reasons for doing so?
        Life experiences and personal observations are big motivations in assessing behavior and greatly influence personal biases.
        To lay blame exclusively at the feet of gay men is being dismissive of their experiences and does nothing to motivate or move this issue further.

        • Josephine Parico

          Nah. It’s purely STUBBORNNESS . Gay men are STUBBORN to accept the reality that some men are attracted to both sexes. That bisexuality is not 50-50 and that it is actually a SPECTRUM corresponding to Kinsey scale 1-5.

          • Ulf Raynor

            And there you have it, this is you being exactly what you accuse gay men of being.
            Dismissive labeling.

          • Josephine Parico

            Because it is a FACT! No amount of victimhood can deny the fact that most gay men are BIPHOBIC.

          • Ulf Raynor

            You seem to like quoting the Kinsey scale on male bisexuality, here’s something the Kinsey scale doesn’t take into account and blast a big gaping hole in your hyperbolic homophobic hysteria…I completely agree that bisexuality is a sliding scale and for many a fluid one, but that is only in regard to sex, what totally blows your Kinsey scale curve is when you compare it to male birelationality.
            Overwhelming, bisexual males do NOT enter into same sex relationships nor do the even consider it a possibility, they disproportionately, irregardless of their placement on the Kinsey scale, only enter into hetero-normative relationships.
            So once again, maybe, just maybe you might consider that there is always two or more sides to an issue before you pass uneducated judgement on an entire minority based solely on your fact free feelings.

          • Josephine Parico

            BISEXUALITY has nothing to do whether he/she enters in a relationship or not. BISEXUALITY is SEXUAL ATTRACTION/ACTIVITY with BOTH SEXES.

            So what you’re talking about is IRRELEVANT.

          • Ulf Raynor

            It’s only irrelevant if your being dismissive of the inherent homophobia of only using gay men for sex and never considering or have a willingness to entertain the idea that it may lead to a relationship.
            So, by all means, keep sticking your head up your own ass and pretending that the majority of bimales aren’t homophobic and this us vs. them mentality and self actualizing victimhood you keep perpetuating can continue.

          • Josephine Parico

            Lol! Homophobia is also used against BISEXUALS by straight people because straights can’t discern the difference between homosexuality and bisexuality.

            You fail in your VICTIMHOOD card. Sorry!

          • Lane S.
          • Josephine Parico

            This is already a THREAT. What’s the mod doing about it now? Sleeping? Lol!

          • Maximus

            Assertions of fact require evidentiary support. You’ll have to begin by qualifying your claim as only referring to gay men in a certain country or countries; you’ll never find an internationally representative dataset. Do you have a cite to a peer-reviewed publication of a parametric statistical analysis of scores on a validated metric of biphobia among a nationally representative random sample of openly gay-identified cisgender males? Even if you do, you’ll potentially have to contend with cultural bias, a cohort effect, risk of Type I error, and internal validity issues depending upon how “being biphobic” was operationalized.

            There’s no denying that a non-negligible number of gay men harbor biphobic attitudes or that bisexual men are discriminated against. However, it isn’t fair to claim that it is a fact that most (i.e., the majority, i.e., more than 50%) gay men are “biphobic” (whatever that means) without empirical evidence to back-up your assertion.

          • Josephine Parico

            Lol! Not all things require statistical proofs. All you have to do is read the comments in gay sites such as this.

            This site is awash with BIPHOBIA. FACT!
            Example: Gay4pay=straight. Lol!

            Nope. Being homosexual is not up for SELF-IDENTIFICATION as well as gender. SEXUAL orientation is based on your sexual attraction/behavior with the TWO (2) SEXES. There’s the SEX in SEXual orientation.

          • Maximus

            No, that is absolutely not all that you have to do. You’re making inferences from data that is likely skewed due to sampling bias. You have no way of knowing whether there isn’t something special about this site that draws particularly biphobic gay men to comment here, such that those men are overrepresented. You’re not getting an accurate picture of the entire population. You don’t even have sufficient data to draw inferences about the gay men who comment here, unless you’ve randomly sampled a number of gay male commenters sufficiently large to assume a normal distribution and assessed how biphobic the members of that sample are.

            Contemporary sexuality scholars don’t use the term “sexual orientation.” It’s misleading and vague. Sexuality can be measured in terms of either (1) attraction, (2) behavior, or (3) identity. I’ll use myself as an example: (1) I experience exclusively homosexual attraction; (2) I have only ever had sexual encounters or romantic partnerships with other men; (3) I identify as gay/homosexual, and also as queer (i.e., a sexual or gender minority).

  • stephen

    As a certified Mess Enthusiast™, the hysteria around this scene has been some peak comedy. This was shot like a month ago right? I wonder if they already have more filmed ready to go, only for the first one to get THIS kind of reception lmao

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c19534530c2875565214271870e062f668392e7e0536ed229e1bbe700663e6ce.jpg

    • Rob36

      she’s vile and overexposed.

  • FieldMedic

    For some reason after reading this ‘How I Stopped Worrying And Learned To Love The Bomb’ came to mind.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad4576cea427b95b03e40d57deb05616e5ed90a0622d35909a1213a755ca0cab.gif

  • Xzamilloh

    Just from looking at the trailer, maybe it has a such a high dislike rating because it’s terrible? I saw this preview after someone in the comments of another story made it known, and wow, does it look bad.

    Nothing wrong with bisexual porn, but when you take a strict top (Arad) who already isn’t that good at topping and put in a scene where he’s poorly topping a guy and a girl? No thanks. This deserves the rating.

    And I’m just gonna say it, Zach: it’s bullshit to use the “There’s so much going on in the world” line as if one can’t rate a bisexual scene and go right back to living their lives.

    • Hush-ins

      Wasn’t Cliff Jensen fired?

      • Xzamilloh

        Was he? Lord knows I don’t keep up with porn stars post masturbatory climax.

        • Hush-ins

          Yeah. He said he was fired since he didn’t want to bottom. Some says he consdered but then chickened out after knowing his pay was cut *shrugs*.

          • Xzamilloh

            Seriously? So they fire him but Diego Sans and Arad are billed as strict tops? Who the hell wants to see Cliff Jensen’s bony ass getting fucked??

            God, MEN is a stupid company.

          • Hush-ins

            So many bad decisions they have been making.

    • MK

      Cliff Jensen is gay4pay, good riddance to bad medicine.

  • Omnirosa

    I’m sorry but I do get a misogynistic and biphobic vibe from the outrage.

    Subscribers of MEN clearly don’t have any standards so why are they outraged over a bisexual scene? If you don’t like it, scroll past it and get off to your “Not In Front of My Salad” scenes instead. Or maybe you can switch to a scene with one of the racists they hire. People should really treat a woman in a porn scene like they would an ugly man, just scroll past them, and move on. If I were subscribed to MEN, I’d be scrolling for a long ass time.

    • Isiah Singleton

      Shut up you homophobic feminist you are calling us gay men misogynist because we don’t want to fuck women and we don’t want to see women having sex with gay man in gay porn fuck u y’all females fans destroy gay porn just like you faghags destroy the gay clubs we are not anti women You don’t get why gay men don’t want you straight women at the gay club and in gayporn

      • Omnirosa

        I’m a homophobic straight feminist woman just because I say something you disagree with? LOL.

        You clearly don’t have your priorities correct if you’re blaming female for destroying gay porn when gay men are doing a good enough job at that as it is.

        • Isiah Singleton

          You women are destroying gay porn I know you you asked openly gay porn stars to have sex with women you and those other homophobic faghags women are pushing this sexual fluid movement on to gay men

      • Todd B

        Yah, leave it to a woman to tell gay men how they should feel about a gay issue. Smfh

  • Michael Lewis

    They should just make a sub site. It’s called MEN for a reason.

    • ViktorTausk

      No one will subscribe for it. I don’t think Nextdoorhookups is doing particularly good.

  • Xzamilloh

    Number 1 of the Top 10 Studios on here is Guys in Sweatpants. Men is nowhere to be found.

    That’s somewhat irrelevant, but I’m just pointing out that Austin Wilde hasn’t been in the porn studio game as long as these other companies, and he’s already at the top because he fucking listens to the market demand and gives the gays what they want.

    • Ulf Raynor

      Austin is exactly what a performer should be, entertaining and passionate about what he’s doing.
      I’ve often enjoyed the times he has interviewed his perspective scene partner almost as much as the sex itself.

      • RaJ

        Austin Wilde is an ICON and deserves a golden rod on whatever walk of fame we come up with for the gay porn industry.

        • some charge

          umm, no, didn’t he recently said that he “hates labels” and might fuck a woman

    • MK

      I agree. He just needs to get rid of douchebag Clark Parker.

    • CamCam

      GISP is one of the best gay porn sites on the web and it’s because they listen to us. If more producers/directors of gay porn would listen to us here on this site & on their own sites if we hit them up with our suggestions, gay porn would be light years ahead of the pack in terms of porn on the net PERIOD but they think they know better and as a result, we get dog shit like this.

  • Estelle

    Is the Arad Winwin story about leaving Iran even true. He was arrested in Dallas a few years ago on drugs and weapons charges. I would think that wouldn’t sit well with immigration officials.

    • sxg

      What??? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/20e7cea7369ecec283a4a261e03931479531e586f92d401f9ff0e1a184c4080b.gif
      I do remember seeing him post a video on his IG account on a meeting with his lawyers but didn’t know what it was about.

      • Isiah Singleton

        Give us the tea SiS.

      • B.C.

        There was a very touching interview with Arad at the beginning of his gay porn career and underwear modelling. Arad said he had to leave his country, even spent some time in a prison for being gay and he was in a life threatening situation more than once. I’m sure you can google it.

        • sxg

          I know that story. I know he had to walk or ride a bike for hours to get to his job when he was here. Im asking about the alleged weapons and drug charges. Also he mentioned in that video he won his case.

        • some charge

          Well now we see how everything was a lie to get US citizenship.

          • B.C.

            Well, I wouldn’t go that far. His story was probably verified by authorities.
            I really want to know what was he hoping to achieve with this horrible scene. Prove to himself he can fuck a woman? Was he better paid for m/f/m threesome? This is not going to sit well with his fans. Arad seems intelligent enough – he should have known better.

          • some charge

            intelligent? Look at his recent tweets responding to criticism, he can’t even spell simple words.

          • B.C.

            English is not his first language so I would be lenient. He seemed intelligent enough in his business/career choices up until this disaster.

          • TB

            AND he said he was “excited” about it! Ugh

      • Estelle

        The arrest does make me wonder how much of his story is truthful. I mean people are being deported for far less things.

    • sanfv

      Hold up! This is tea!

      Any and all drugs and weapon charges automatically disqualify any applicant that is attempting to adjust their status. Charges like this are also grounds to have ay non-citizen status’ stripped. Arad has flown internationally the past few years no? thats an indicator that he has a passport and a status that lets him back in the states. Arad must have some sort of status, he wasnt in the timeframe for DACA, isnt married to any citizen so he must have an asylum case still pending or approved then?

      Where’s lawyer bae AKA Maximus at?

      MINDBLOWN

      • Maximus

        You called?

        A criminal charge alone wouldn’t have any effect upon Arad’s immigration status; he would first have to be found guilty of that charge. If he has been living here for a long period of time, then he was probably found to have a valid asylum claim, or else he was granted permanent resident status (green card). It’s also possible that he’s been here long enough that he applied to be, and then succussfully became, a naturalized citizen.

        • some charge

          Was his asylum claim based on his “homosexuality”? I think we see a fraud here.

          • Maximus

            I don’t know for sure that he did make an asylum claim. I’m aware of him, but I don’t know anything about his life. I can give you the basics on asylum law, though.

            The right to asylum is an internationally recognized fundamental human right. The U.S. is a state party to an international treaty that obligates the U.S. to create a legal process by which foreign citizens can seek asylum. Under U.S. law, an asylum claim has two elements (i.e., things you have to prove in order for your claim to succeed):
            1. The applicant is of a certain:
            a. Race
            or
            b. Religion
            or
            c. Nationality
            or
            d. Political opinion
            or
            e. Particular social group
            2. The applicant has a well-founded fear of facing persecution on account of that characteristic if the applicant were to be repatriated.

            Past applicants have successfully claimed asylum by arguing that being a sexual minority qualifies as membership in a particular social group.

            If the applicant convinces an immigration judge—who are not members of the judiciary, but rather, are administrative employees of the Dep’t of Homeland Security in the executive branch—that the applicant’s situation satisfies those two criteria, then the applicant will be granted asylum. Asylum gives a person the right to live and work in the U.S., although an applicant can apply for a work permit if the government still hasn’t decided the claim after 150 days of filing. A person can apply to be a permanent resident (i.e., get a green card) one year after having been granted asylum.

          • FeydRautha

            I think his asylum claim (he applied to the UNHCR) was based on his desertion from the Iranian Army (military service is compulsory in Iran); he would have been executed had he been sent back. So, technically, he has an out (if you’ll pardon the pun). The GayStarNews article gives a very thorough account. He talks in nebulous terms about wanting “freedom”… the freedom to wear the clothes he wanted, to not have a beard, to have sex outside marriage, etc. Not a word about the young GAY men Iran hang after falsely accusing them of rape…

          • TB

            If he didn’t say it was being gay, he sure implied it…ESPECIALLY since at least one of his interviews says it’s for gay reasons directly in the headline.

    • ViktorTausk

      The story was invented for sure. But why bother, porn is an industry of hypocrites. If his porn agent was sure that such a touching story will make him interesting and attract public and earn him money why not?

  • occupyfannypack

    who cares about this? This bi scene does not deserve any attention.
    I just want to know who is the top in the “Telenovela” scene? 😮

  • Mark
  • Tim

    sylvia sage is actually the most capable star in this scene, yes. given her long term friendship and chemistry with Wesley Woods that doesn’t surprise me. I’ve never been into Arad and this other guy is a non-entity.

    But yeah, I’m pissed because I didn’t sign up for a bi site. I don’t know which fans requested bi scenes, but they are proving to be a marked minority.

    • Todd B

      You know what…FUCK HER! I equate her to ALL the women who think they can “flip a gay” and Arad and MEN allowed her to do just that. Shes not innocent here.

      • Isiah Singleton

        She is the one who went against August Ames she was blackballed by the straight porn studios but she is not a gay ally herself

        • Todd B

          UGH!

      • onyx081

        I find it interesting that you’re so angry at women who think they can “flip a gay” but there are a ton of gay men who think they can “flip a straight guy.” Turning out a straight guy is one of the top gay fantasies, scenarios and categories on all these tubes sites. So it’s wrong when women try to do it with gay men, but it’s fine when gay men try to do it with straight men?

        • MK

          Only self-loathing gay men wish to convert straight men. I also strongly believe that most of the men who perpetuate and pushes this pathetic fantasy are bisexual men, pansexuals, sexual fluid and gay4pay enablers.

      • TB

        Oh how I’m so glad I blocked this Onyx dumbass

        • Rob36

          No, you’re regretting it ‘cos you’re dying to know what he’s typing. You should just pretend to block people.

          • TB

            No, I’m glad I don’t have to read their shit anymore. Just like now when I block your dumb ass.

          • Rob36

            please no, how will I cope? Some foulmouthed stranger is going to block me, please please NO, I beg of you…..

  • Isiah Singleton

    Go gay male community fight back against homophobic feminist and these homophobic straight men who have control over the gay porn and sexual fluid and bisexual. we don’t want to see women in gay porn. I hope mendotcom gets this thought their trick skull. Arad is a coward gay man he doesn’t bottom but he will fuck a woman pussy.

    • Todd B

      Ah yes, sexually fluid. Those who claim to be sexually fluid or who don’t like labels might as well be saying to every gay man, “yah,” I’ll have sex with a man, but I don’t like it, even if I “act” like I do cuz I’m not a fa**ot like you!? Fuck ALL them sexually fluid/no labels fucks!

  • danny

    Wow. The anger over MEN doing a bi video is ridiculous. Okay, it was a stupid idea and I doubt they will do another based on the feedback of their subscribers., but what’s the big deal? If it bother you so much, don’t watch it. Once they see the low numbers for this scene, I think MEN will come to their senses.

    • Isiah Singleton

      You don’t understand the angry of gay men they are angry because this bisexual movie has a gay man fucking a woman he was on the gay blogs like gaystarnews and queerly telling his story about how he ran from his homecounty iran because he is gay

    • Todd B

      If you bothered to read the comments and ACTUALLY try to be sympathetic to them, maybe then you might get it. Probsbly not though.

      • danny

        Maybe you didn’t like my comments, that’s fine. But you don’t fucking know me, so don’t pass judgment about me.

        • TB

          FUCK YOU asshole! You just passed judgement over gay guys getting upset about this. People like you sure can dish it out butvcant take it.

          • danny

            Real mature, TB.

          • TB

            Lmao. Dude, you ain’t my fucking mother. FUCK you!

          • TB

            Blocking you’re fucking psycho, manipulative ass! God i hate people like you!

          • danny

            Go ahead and block me. I don’t even know you, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead.

        • Aunnez Stfleur

          Aren’t you the one who first passed judgement?

          • danny

            Let me clarify: Contrary to the comment I posted, I did read all the comments before I wrote anything. My comment was made after I read all the others’ comments. I didn’t mean that all the comments were ridiculous, but that there were some awful comments going back and forth with name-calling and profanity. I don’t understand why people can’t have a civil discussion anymore. That’s what my using of the word “ridiculous” was for. If it was so bothersome to people, I said don’t watch it, because why let yourself get upset over something you can’t control? MEN did the stupidest thing by releasing this atrocity. I watched about two minutes and had to turn it off. I think writing to MEN and letting them know how angry and threatening cancellations do more I could have been a little more careful in my wording. Anyway, I’m done with this.

  • czer

    I am a gay male if I wanted to see women in my porn I’d be straight.

    Just viewing a naked woman is enough to make me physically ill.

    • Isiah Singleton

      Me too I was about to throw up

    • onyx081

      Really? Seeing a naked women makes you physically ill? Grow up and stop being so fucking dramatic. You sound like a Kindergartner who’s scared to catch cooties

      • Rob36

        indeed

  • Lonnie Davis

    I dont see the big deal….the gay community always talking about equality but bash the bi community. smh. Also whats the big deal wanting Arad to btm if he doesnt want to he shouldnt. There has been many tops btm on camera and the scene was awful like Topher Dimaggio. Let the man top

    • Isiah Singleton

      Go back to your bisexual places do u know that most bisexual people kill gay men in hate crimes

    • Kraterus

      We gay people demand equality for ourselves – we don’t have the obligation to fight other people’s battles. And not blindingly supporting a homophobic discourse (i.e. “everyone is bisexual and fluid and denying it is a form of bigotry”) out of sheer political correctness, doesn’t make anyone prejudiced or biphobic. We’re simply acknowledging the fact that the differences are greater than the points in common. Too bad if you don’t like it.

      As for Arad bottoming, he can do as he wishes. i just find it curious that he won’t bottom, but will readily have sex with a woman even though he is supposed to be “gay” and had to escape both Iran and Turkey because of that…

      • stephen

        “everyone is bisexual and fluid and denying it is a form of bigotry” you got that from one threesome scene? deep

        • Omnirosa

          It’s community theater in this comment section and the girls are performing their asses off.

          • Isiah Singleton

            Fuck u no women shouldn’t be allowed in gay porn

          • MC.EMC2

            I’m sorry but as a woman you shouldn’t dictate what gay men feel towards this, just like gay men don’t have a say in women’s business. Please just respect this place as it is…

          • Todd B
          • FeydRautha

            Girls? You deny being a “homophobic straight feminist,” yet you’re misgendering (which is “literal murder” according to the “trans-gender” activists) gay men on a blog dedicated to gay porn (and it is a GAY porn blog, despite the pun in its name and recent events). Why is that? Is it because some are being “dramatic”? And that’s not how REAL MEN behave, right? That’s the very definition of HOMOPHOBIA, dahlink.

        • MC.EMC2

          No, he got that from MEN, CorbinFisher and GayHoopla releasing bi/str8 content when they should be improving the quality / quantity of gay scenes, also from the loads of G4P performers who demonstrate complete disregard for the LGBT community as well as from homophobic directors, studios and performers that keep making money at our expense….

          • stephen

            Ok well now those arguments I get completely, but that’s definitely not what he said lol.

    • MC.EMC2

      Please just stop. Don’t try to make it like gay people are the opressors here. Gay people have been OPRESSED for thousands of years. Gosh, we are still so opressed in all corners of society. The anger / disappointment towards this scene is not on account of bigotry or disregard for bi or str8 people, but it’s a cry in response to all this oppressiveness we have to face in the outside world now being present in a world that belongs to us, a world we shouldn’t feel opressed any longer. Just please educate yourself…

      • Isiah Singleton

        Go boy I he when the bisexuals try to gay shame us we gay men pay the way for them no bisexual wasn’t not there at stone wall we riot against homophobia

      • Lonnie Davis

        News fkash evetobe has and will contiune to be oppressed unless youre a straight wbite male…

        • MC.EMC2

          You don’t but most people here do… You’re the one who needs to deal with it…. Not the other way around…. And we’ll continue to be oppressed if we allow people like you to try to silence our voices when we’re trying to stand up for ourselves…

          • Lonnie Davis

            No one is silencing you…contiune to do you…i think people are looking to deep into it…its porn they dont care but my feelings or anyone else but thats just me……men isnt the only site around…..

          • MC.EMC2

            Let everyone here be the judge of how deep they wanna look into it… It’s not your place to tell people how much this should or shouldn’t mean to them…

          • Lonnie Davis

            I didnt say any of that but ok have a good evening

          • MC.EMC2

            “I dont see the big deal….the gay community always talking about equality but bash the bi community. smh.”

            These are your original words. Girl bye

  • sxg

    I honestly think most of the outrage is due to Arad’s involvement. I know he’s not one of the most well-liked performers here, but I was once a fan of his. When he started out at NDS I thought he was a pretty good top and more than made up for his… “shortcoming.” His performance started to deteriorate long after leaving that studio and when formed a close bond to Topher Dimaggio of all people.

    We all know that twitter is full of rabid people who have this hatred for all bi/g4p performers so there’s no winning with them. And Arad, being one of the very few if not only middle eastern man in gay porn, doing a bi scene was probably the biggest porn mistake he could make.

    • Svenne

      He doesn’t have a shortcoming. He’s perfectly average length and it’s a nice thickness. I’ve had his size and they feel amazing.

      • nick

        I’d be plenty happy with what he’s got to offer.

    • ViktorTausk

      His widely quoted Instagram post (or was it on Twitter) of how he’s excited to fuck a woman for a porn video was his mistake, not the video itself.

      • TB

        Both.

  • This is scene is disgusting! It’s a gay porn Studio, not straight ou bi. Gay community should be very upset with this. I don’t wanna see women in gay porn. And Arad is so fake! He is not gay. I Can’t believe they will be another Corbin Fisher ir Randy Blue

    • Todd B

      Randy Blue? Am I missing something here? When did Randy Blue have women in their porn?

      • I talked wrong. It will end like Randy BLUE.

  • I never liked Men, always thought it was the most overrated gay porn studio ever.

    But yeah, I’m not surprised about the backlash. Though I’ll admit – Men of all studios doing a bisexual scene is odd. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/30cbc43da7143b2f2c257d8982ef17fc343a12bd67cd6702b51690ab77e7a20a.gif

  • Alann6

    I dislike Daxx in the scene more than I do the woman.

    • Nate

      Absolutely!

  • Redphyro

    Pussy doesnt belong on gay porn PERIOD

    • Isiah Singleton

      Preach my brother

    • CamCam

      You better speak the truth and shame the devil!!!!!!🙌

  • Todd B

    Arad was so preoccupied with whether or not he could, he didn’t stop to think if he should.

  • Baradude
  • Isiah Singleton

    The only person who is actually promoting this SHIT is the female porn star sylvia sage. Arad and Mendotcom aren’t promoting this crap because they are regretting it

  • Todd B

    “HOW U CAN IMAGINE PUSSY CAN MAKE ME BISEXUAL”!? Well, Arad…IT’S BECAUSE YOU’RE FUCKING IT FFS!

    • onyx081

      There are tons of gay men who have had sex with women while being in the closet and have even had kids with them, That doesn’t make them any less gay. You don’t have to be physically attracted to someone to have sex with them. I’m sure every porn performer gay or straight isn’t always physically attracted to their scene partner, but it’s their job to perform

      • MK

        You straight worshipers are always trying to justify this shit. Porn isn’t like any other job. You have to get your dick up to perform. What Arad did was an insult to gay men, and further perpetuate the illusion that a gay man can become straight.

      • Kraterus

        The sad reality that you reflect doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that a) this is an unpopular product towards which the target audience has reacted badly and b) the fact that it seems to be part of a wider ideological push towards imposing bisexuality among gay men, rather than promoting its acceptance.

        People have been so outraged because Arad himself, Logan Moore, Theo Ford, Griffin Barrows and several other models, have said that it is perfectly normal for gay men to desire and frequently engage in sexual activity with women, and that rejecting this and not wanting it is a form of narrow-mindedness and bigotry that prevents gay men from being happy. Do you think that this is true for most gay people? Also, isn’t this a form of bi-erasure AND homophobia?

        Gay people, by definition, love and desire their same gender, not the opposite – this idea that gay men should want to be with women and that if they don’t, they are unenlightened bigots, is quite offensive and homophobic. Also, why do these models get angry when they are called bisexual, but then are desperate to sleep with “straight”/bi men and show how turned on they are by women?

        I think that if MEN had created a separate bi-site, the backlash would have been smaller. They would have NEVER dared to do this with Brazzers, for example – they move their bi and trans porn to less popular, niche sites. Why haven’t gay customers been afforded the same courtesy, then? Again, lack of business acumen and homophobia.

  • Isiah Singleton

    Dude you are telling us to calm down? Fuck U!!!!!! This man a gay man is fucking a woman we are not calming down

    • Todd B

      IKR! This video is just shameful. Well, now we can just give in and tell the religious right that they were correct all along…it IS a choice. Thanks a lot Arad!

    • Kevin Jones

      Like I said, calm your tits. It’s not that big a deal. Plus he wouldn’t the first gay man to fuck a woman.

      Besides, this is Porn! All that matters is getting off. If you don’t like it then don’t watch it.

  • Todd B

    So he sob stories about his persecution and gets asylum only to come here as an openly gay man AND THEN FUCK WOMEN OPENLY!? Only in America! He fits right in. SMFH

    • Rob36

      jeezo., he’s a sex worker, doing his job, nothing more.

      • TB

        Huh!? That a pretty idiotic statement.

        • Rob36

          well. you’re calling him all sorts of names for doing his job.

  • Svenne

    I love Arad…why is he with a woman? Is he gay for pay? I can’t even. This is disturbing to me.

    • Burkeman

      People who lie about their sexualities revolt me more than gay-for-pay straights, because mendacity really disgusts me. It is queerbaiting.

  • Todd B

    Its kinda totally a stab in the back to his fellow gay men still stuck in his home country(Iran?) fighting for their lives while he made it out only to then do EXACTLY what he was fighting to NOT do the whole time. Just. Fucking. Sad.

    • ViktorTausk

      I doubt this story is real. Probably it was an invented narrative for his porn character. We’re always tend to forget that porn people on the screen even when they have “real” twitter, facebook and other sh*t are not real people, but porn representations, who are not who the people are in their real life.

      • TB

        While I see where your going with that, they still can’t separate themselves from it. Andvuf it was made up, in my mind that makes him just an awful person who thrived using the unfortunate. Griffin Narrows tried to say the same bullshit, but it’s no different then if I say I’m “in character” every time I’m persuing and having sex.

        • ViktorTausk

          I think even you can separate your DQ avatar (TB) from your real world self. Same goes to me, I’m on this site dedicated to gay porn and – because you have only the information that is accessible to you, you might assume that I am gay although in the real life I can be a happily married hardcore straight father with 12 kids and a loving wife. Porn performers are professionals who must separate their image from their self, maintain their porn image and do their job. And if the public buys their stories it’s good for them.

          • TB

            I think talking about trolling is far away from the reality we are talking about. Real sucks going into real holes with real brains processing it all.

          • ViktorTausk

            and yet it’s only the image on your screen…

          • TB

            Huh?

          • JJ

            Well you are gay aren’t you?

          • ViktorTausk

            If this is what you imagine, I certainly am :)))))))))

          • JJ

            What? Real dicks going into real holes? 😊😎😏

          • JJ

            Are you on Twitter, Snap or IG? ;D

  • Julio Grandeur

    Reading the rage here is absolutely hilarious. Thanks for the laugh guys!

  • some charge

    So it’s gays who are intolerant? Try to post bi scene on one of the MG-owned straight sites and see the reaction.

    • Isiah Singleton

      Yay MineGeek post a bisexual movie on straight website? Oh wait y’all not going to do that because straight people are biphobic

      • Daniel Adam Hayes

        Straight people not liking bi content doesn’t make them biphobic, just like gay people who don’t like straight and bi porn are not biphobic

    • MK

      Exactly! They only want to force this shit on gay men. Most bisexuals are closet cases who prefers women for relationships. Gay men shouldn’t put up with this crap to appease them. I also blame this on sexual fluid, self-loathing straight-worshipers and gay4pay enablers.

      • onyx081

        “They only want to force this shit on gay men.”

        It’s funny because if I were to replace the word “gay” in your statement with “straight” in regards to sexuality it would sound exactly like something a homophobic bigot would say about gay people.

        However, in your case it’s biphobic

        • MK

          Give me a break! Stop labeling people biphobic if they don’t want to see bi porn on a gay porn site. I have no problem with bi porn, it just doesn’t belong in gay porn. Create your own bi sites, you couldn’t force this on a straight porn site like Brazzer. Bisexuals need to understand that homosexuals and bisexuals aren’t the same. Homosexuals aren’t interested in the opposite sex, therefore straight/bi porn doesn’t belong on a gay porn site. It’s called GAY porn.

  • CamCam

    26%? I’m shocked it’s not lower than that. When i go to a gay porn site, the last thing i want to see on it is a woman. Bad enough i don’t see enough of the stuff i want to see like mutual dick sucking and toy play but then MEN wants to add women to their scenes? Hell no!!! It’s dead wrong and I hope they lose a lot of subscribers as a result of this scene. Total bullshit that this scene happened and came out.

    • Rob36

      indeed., and all that ‘not in front of my salad’ crap.

  • Hari Kalyan

    All these OP-Ed pieces in the comments are a little redic It’s not that serious guys. The woman is actually cute IMO and i’m pretty sure this is her second MEN scene, the first with actual sex. Also I could’ve swore MEN had another bi scene with Connor Maguire not too long ago.

    • some charge

      Why don’t you go to a straight blog and tell them how much you want to see bi porn on their favorite str8 site. I’m sure people will be very nice to you. Collect the responses and then come back to us.

      • Hari Kalyan

        Show me a str8 porn site run by gay owners who run a network of other gay porn sites and I will be happy to do that. MEN serves up homophobia all the time in their scenes and we say little to nothing. But let one woman show her vag and we’re ready to storm their corporate office.

        • MC.EMC2

          Wtf are u talking about? MEN receives backlash all the time and honestly, they deserve every piece of criticism they get

          • Hari Kalyan

            True, but I’m more so talking about THIS reaction: I don’t usually see this many negative comments on a MEN scene (its usually tepid, maybe 4 or 5 critical comments) nor a scene rated so low as stated in this post itself. I’m just saying we need to reject homophobia in gay media en masse with as much or more vitriol as some seem to be doing here with bisexuality on predominantly gay porn site.

          • MC.EMC2

            I guess people have the right to voice their dissatisfaction whenever they want to, don’t they?

  • Evarist.O

    Well, 26% it’s not a small number. I understand that it pales in comparison, but a fourth of your paying customers it’s not something you can just ignore.

  • Bastian

    The scene ratings dropped to 25% atm 😉 “I couldn’t find any with a rating less than 74%” And I did, its actually the one with Connor fucking a chick briefly in “Better Than My Sister” with 72%. I guess they didn’t learn the lesson.

    • Redphyro

      What are the other options on that poll?

      • Bastian

        Basically it was related to their categories, like bears, muscle men, bareback, twinks, older guys and so on and the type of man we prefer by choosing a few examples from the list of given models. To bad I didn’t took a screenshot.

  • Ninja0980

    I watch gay porn like most of you here because I’m GAY.
    I have no desire to see a woman in my porn,period and am tired of this trend with porn sites thinking I and other gay men do.
    If some of these sites want to know why sites like Onlyfans/Justfans etc. are taking off, crap like this is why.

  • Daniel Adam Hayes

    It was a stupid idea and we all know that MEN did it not because fans asked for it, but because they’ve been trying to have women in their scenes since forever.
    Bi and str8 content does not belong on a gay porn site. Having a gay man in this scene is a slap in the face. Arad can just disappear now.
    And not wanting to see straight or bi scenes on a gay porn site is not misogynistic or biphobic.

  • Bastian

    “I’m not sure why so many pitchfork wielding gay porn fans on social media and gay porn blogs are losing their minds over the bisexual scene” and of course, str8up needs to stand out?
    People can not get angry about small things, because there are bigger bullshit going on in the world right now? Your narration is ridiculous. So I guess we should stop complaining about broken goods or a fly in a soup, because there is a war going on somewhere?

    • MK

      The owner loves his g4p and straight man worshiping, that’s why he’s butthurt about the backlash.

  • czer

    I’m a gay man if I wanted to see naked women in my porn I’d be straight.

    Once a gay porn actor, or even a gay for pay guy, appears in a scene with a woman I lose all interest in him. The fantasy has been broken, it’s a betrayal to the fans.

    Next Door Male has received backlash for including women in their scenes even as background characters in non sexual roles. Now they only reference the “wife” or “girlfriend” or they have off camera voice roles.

    The sight of a naked woman repulses me.

    • czer

      Post Script to my post above.

      Dax Carter appears in a scene released today on Next Door Male. Now, I’m not even interested in that scene at all. Notably the scene has an equal number of likes and dislikes at this point, 18 each. This is unusual on NDM as likes tend to trend exponentially higher than dislikes.

      • Pablo Hernandez

        Today’s scene on men was not Dax Carter’s first scene with a woman. He performed with a woman in February as Buck Carter on a different site.

  • ViktorTausk

    I think the most offensive part of this video is ugly Daxx Carter. I get why Gayhoopla hired him, but why he gets all this jobs outside of it and is almost on every porn site now is beyond my understanding.

  • Pablo Hernandez

    It doesn’t help that the male talent has more of a niche appeal. Arad is definitely not for anyone looking for substantial cock, and Dax has much more mass to him than most models Men uses. But 26% … even the orgy where Brenden Cage was made to wear a turtleneck has an 85%. I think the displeased are much more vocal pre-release, it’ll probably increase by some after the release.

    Also worth nothing is that while a significantly vocal set of dissatisfied customers have made a point of giving the scene a down vote, if you just look at the total number of votes scenes receive in comparison to the other scenes of the week, BY FAR more people, almost double, have taken the time to vote. There is not a significantly smaller number of people giving this scene an up vote.

  • Burkeman

    The idea of Arad going straight-for-pay revolts me even more than gay-for-pay. Alternatively, if he is straight or bisexual, he should have the decency to admit it.

    In any case, Men’s subscribers paid a lot of money for their subscriptions expecting all-male same-sex scenes. If they wanted to see their favourite straight and bisexuals with women, they would go to CorbinFisher, or Gay Hoopla, or some straight porn travesty site.

    Badly done, Men, badly done.

    • TB

      They should do a class action lawsuit. I’m not kidding.

      • Burkeman

        Cause of action: false advertising?

        • Maximus

          Battery. A MEN employee volitionally acted with knowledge to a substantial certainty that by uploading video and stills of this scene, it would cause light from our devices to make contact with the photoreceptors in our eyes, setting off a neurological chain reaction that would cause us to perceive this scene. (And in case the claim is decided under the laws of a dual intent jurisdiction: Anybody would have had knowledge to a substantial certainty that many of us gays would find that perceptual experience offensive.) Subscribers probably waived their right to sue, or else they could be seen as having given implied consent to perceive whatever MEN uploads to the web, but those of us who are just minding our own respective little gay businesses didn’t impliedly consent to be subjected to this fuckery. Finally, MEN is liable under respondeat superior.

          That’s the best argument I can come up with on the spot. Our claim would probably get 12(b)(6)-ed.

      • onyx081

        You’re being so dramatic right not it’s ridiculous

        • TB

          Cunt, for you to respond saying that is more dramatic than anything I said. Blocked

  • GP

    Fuck MEN and everyone there who supported this, Marc Macnamara (MEN director) filming this utter trash, maybe spend less time fucking your boyfriend (Diego) and produce and direct something of actual quality?

    Fuck Arad Winwin, you won’t bottom but you’ll fuck a woman?…better hope the gays at USCIS don’t see this and begin to question your immigration story.

    Fuck all the studios (MEN, CF and GH) that put straight sex into gay porn, the straight porn community would NEVER tolerate two men fucking in their porn but the gay community has to otherwise we are being “biphobic” and “misogynistic”.

    Enough is enough.

    #MakeGayPornGayAgain

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/44c80ed0f4be659e36f7c31913e952ba219dc4882b694a152c0cc6d174f69dc8.gif

  • linger4444

    I want to watch straight porn on gay porn websites said no one ever.

  • emercycrite

    The expression on the woman’s face in the last picture says it all. “Is it in yet?”

  • wdeee

    Jesus Christ you all act like MEN is holding a gun to your head and the head of the entire gays rights movement. Arad wanted to do this scene. If you don’t want to see it, don’t watch! It’s porn and it doesn’t have to stay in one avenue. Models are free to explore sex in all facets. Sexuality can be fluid and on a spectrum so stop punishing people for exploring that. I honestly look forward to seeing this scene.

    • Kraterus

      People are angry for the very simple reason that this is an imposition. If Men had a bisexual division, some people would have been annoyed and disappointed that a “gay” man is going S4P, but it wouldn’t have been a major issue for most. the real problem is that it has been included in the main scene rooster as if it were a product like any other, which most viewers wouldn’t consider legitimate.

      Furthermore, a many people have pointed out, they would have never even dreamed about doing the same in one of their straight sites, and the outrage would have paled in comparison to what has been expressed both here and elsewhere. This is disrespectful (there is not an ounce of evidence that this is what viewers wanted, and this is reflected by the low rating), and shows that at best, they don’t understand their market and, at worst, they don’t give a damn about gay consumers.

      I also find it curious how so many people claim that we gays should be more tolerant… Why? We don’t have the obligation to be more so than anybody else. If you’re bisexual, good for you – look for your own spaces and enjoy them. Don’t come into ours and make demands, and don’t try to impose anything. You simply don’t have the right to.

      As for the changing position in the sexuality spectrum and fluidity, that is nonsense. People are heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual. Bisexual people have more complex sexualities and their main preferences can change over time; that is respectable, but all this “you are forced to accept me because I say so, and if you don’t then you are bigots” has to stop. If Arad is bisexual, he should have said so. Pretending to be gay and then presenting this “gay men can be fluid as well!” nonsense that is being constantly pushed onto us, is dishonest and that is why people get angry: because it IS an imposition.

      • wdeee

        I’d think a community that has faced systemic oppression for years would feel the need to be tolerant but I’ve grown used to the way that the gays treat bi and trans people. Most are full of shit and just as entitled as straight people. Also you sound like those “there are only 2 gender” conservatives when you say that sexuality isn’t fluid. For lots of people it is. Sexuality is complex and Arad might’ve realized recently that he does like women to an extent. Get off your high horse.

        • MC.EMC2

          Oh please just shut the fuck up. You’re the one implying that bisexual or fluid is the ‘norm’. How is that different from what str8 bigots do?

          • wdeee

            I never said it’s the “norm” is subjective. I never said it was the norm and I don’t live by asserting what the norm is. Lots of people think sticking your dick in the hole a guy shits out of isn’t normal. I just said that gays should be more open to fluid and bi people, which they aren’t. We’re all not normal to str8s so we should make room for each other.

          • MC.EMC2

            You said ‘Sexuality is fluid and complex .’ You’re making assumptions and generalizations of other people’s sexuality based upon your personal experience. If anything, you’re the one who sounds a tad bit homophobic here

          • wdeee

            Perhaps I worded it wrong. I meant that sexuality is fluid for lots of people. I know that some are strictly gay or hetero. And I won’t even entertain the h-word.

          • MC.EMC2

            Again, for lots of people, you said. Based upon what do you make such statement? That’s still you trying to define other people’s sexuality. Please just educate yourself before trying to call other people out.

          • wdeee

            There’s many studies and literature done on the topic. I’m quite educated. You guys are the ignorant ones and I’ll call out what I want to. You should Google “how common is sexual fluidity?” or something to educate yourself.

          • MC.EMC2

            You sound exactly like every other str8 bigot I’ve encountered in my life. So you’re telling me that Google knows more about my sexuality than myself? Just fuck the fuck off, please.

          • wdeee

            You guys really lack reading comprehension.

          • MC.EMC2

            And you don’t?

          • wdeee

            Nope.

          • MC.EMC2

            Alright then. Mr. Perfect, Know-it-all, Higher-than-thou

          • MK

            I see many straight people who I consider not normal, so what’s your point? Heterosexuals have more anal sex than gay men based on statistics. So, your point is moot. I’m a gay man and I’m not defined by where I put my genitalia; but whom I’m attracted to physically, emotionally and sexually.

          • wdeee

            I don’t care.

          • MK

            I didn’t ask you to.

        • Kraterus

          Please. The oppressed are expected to be more sensitive to the plight of others, but we are NOT obligated to accept everything and everyone. That is a fallacy. That’s like saying that just because black people have been historically oppressed in America, they don’t have the right to criticize anything and anyone and must accept everything and everyone, lest they be seen as deserving of oppression. That’s not how things work. People should be equal because we are all members of society, not because we are saints whose immaculate souls command respect. This “noble savage/gay/Muslim” construct is absurd, and it reeks of condescension. We are how and what we are, and we should have the same rights whether others want to accept us or not. However, in our private lives and in our own spaces, we are free to discriminate as we see fit, as long as we are not harming anyone or denying them access to housing, healthcare, education or a livelihood.

          As long as we’re not denying anyone equal rights or breaking the law, we can do as we please. We are not obligated to accept everyone – period. And by the way, we’re not any more entitled than bisexual people who come making demands and trying to emotionally blackmail us into accepting their intrusions and disruptive behaviour. Bisexuals are the ones coming in from the outside, and they should adapt to our rules.

          As for gender, there are ONLY two genders. Then there are transgendered people whose bodies do not match their true gender, so they undergo changes that allow them to be who and what they truly are. These “genderqueer” and “intersex” labels are nonsense, as is “fluidity”. People are not fluid – they are simply bisexual. If they were honest with themselves and others and didn’t expect comprehension for their own deliberate actions, no one would reject them.

          As for Arad, it is SO rich to claim that you have escaped from a country where they would have forced you to marry and have sex with women in order to avoid execution, to come elsewhere and do precisely that. Hypocrisy, more than anything, is what has elicited all this barrage of criticism. No one likes to be lied to and no one likes a dishonest person. Maybe if he hadn’t fabricated a “poor, persecuted little gay man” sob story, fans wouldn’t have reacted so strongly.

          • wdeee

            “in our private lives and in our own spaces, we are free to discriminate as we see fit” yanno about 60 years ago white southerners supported Jim Crow with this same thinking. You’re clearly ignorant and uninformed about gender and sexuality. I’ve taken multiple courses on the topic and I have no energy left to talk to you. You should go and Google “intersex” and “pansexuality” in your free time. Good day.

          • Kraterus

            1. I have clearly stated that “in our private lives and in our own spaces, we are free to discriminate as we see fit, AS LONG AS WE ARE NOT HARMING ANYONE OR DENYING THEM ACCESS TO HOUSING, HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION OR A LIVELIHOOD.” Jim Crow laws prevented people from having equal access to all those things. I am not advocating that, so please, don’t be dishonest in order to invalidate everything I say.

            If someone doesn’t want to have anything to do with the members of a particular group or community, they have a right to do so in their own home, within their own family, private establishment or closed group. This goes both ways and also adversely affects gay people but, alas, such is life. Simply act like a mature human being, don’t try to force your way in where you’re not wanted and create your own space. There’s no need to claim that others are racist/biphobic/bigoted all the time.

            Regarding sexuality, think whatever you want. I don’t mind at all and your subterfuges are just as tiresome to me, as you claim that this discussion is to you.

            Have a good day as well.

          • Ulf Raynor

            I love how you keep trying to “educate” others about their sexuality and jump str8 into race baiting as your go too when confronted about it, then quickly try to justify your entire argument by claiming a superior knowledge.
            Please do “mansplain” more to me, as a gay man married to a bisexual man for the last 34 years, I’m finding your observations quite comical and entertaining.

      • MK

        Bravo!!!!!!!!!

      • Ninja0980

        Hit the nail on the head.

    • Xzamilloh

      It’s not even the bisexual aspect that’s the hangup for me. It just looks bad. They could have gotten one of their gay for pay tops to do this, not a weak top like Arad who won’t even bottom.

    • MK

      Get out of here with your shit! Try posting this on a straight porn site and come back with the result. Us gay men ain’t putting up with this crap. Most of you bisexuals are closet cases, who prefers relationship with women and use gay men for sex. Y’all love to boast how you love pussy around your straight counterparts and never admit your same-sex attraction. Now, you want to invade gay spaces with your heterosexuals crap. Go to hell with that!

      • wdeee

        Ignorance once again. It’s astounding how badly gays have dehumanized bisexual men. For one, bisexuality isn’t always 50/50. I primarily like men and I prefer them romantically. However I am sometimes sexually attracted to women. I doubt I’d end up marrying one. Btw, primarily str8 sites EvilAngel and DevilsFilm BOTH make bi and trans content alongside their str8 content and fans simply filter it out and ignore it. Gays would rather act like bi men are satan and that women have gross anatomies. You guys are trash.

        • some charge

          Find me bi scenes on any Mindgeek-owned straight site. Go and demand them to make bi scenes. Why are you attacking the gay community not the straights?

        • MK

          Why are most bi men in heterosexual relationships? The answer to that question proves my point. Most of you are closet cases that piggyback of gay/lesbian achievements. Y’all are cowards and some of the most deceptive men! EvilAngel and DevilsFilm both hide their bi and trans content from their main page, you have to search for it because it’s hidden. Why is that? Because they know they have a toxic homophobic straight community.

          • wdeee

            You’ve met most bi men? Lol you sound stupid. Have you ever considered that some bi men remain closeted and live a hetero https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/498d20b2cea8f357400603b965de64763d4ca3259f9c86f4a1b43a4040708f3e.png normal life because of society and it’s pressure? And the true cowards are gays that knew they were gay but said they were “bi” out of fear and erased actual bi men. Btw here’s a picture of DevilsFilm’s homepage. You scroll down and you’ll see 2 bi films and some trans content. Right on the home page. Gays aren’t as special as you all think you are. Fuck off!

          • MK

            Proves my point that gay men are more authentic and courageous since most bi men are still stuck in the closet in 2018. I have never claimed to be bi, I’m a goldstar gay. Where is the bi content on EvilAngel main page? I’m still waiting….BTW go fuck yourself because that’s all you know to do!

          • wdeee

            Are we making self acceptance in a homophobic and heteronormative society a competition? You’re really showing how tacky you are pal. Instead of contributing to the hate and labeling people as cowards for having fear, you should encourage them but you clearly lack the class to do that. And do you want a cookie for being 1000% gay? Go for you! And since you’re still dumb as shit, here’s some trans content being promoted on EvilAngel’s home page. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed0ddf9e90494ec493026ae42a502bbf2192823a8dd9d14d6e47a3b445ee637b.png
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/85567805acaca1273b2dee62933e46c76f767c6e5e0c8f9455e01765919a088b.png
            Their last bi release was back in April so they aren’t promoting it now but it was promoted when it was new. And they just filmed some more recently :)

          • MK

            Don’t blame me for y’all internalized homophobia, it’s 2018 you have no excuse to be a closet case living in a developed country with rights. You’re simply a coward for choosing to live a lie, but it’s your right to do so. I don’t need any cookie for being a PROUD gay man. I am never ashamed of who I’m; life is too short to be living in other miserable people shadow. You’re seeing that bi/trans ad, because you selected the option to see bi/trans content on their page. Try again, I now how that site operates. These are hidden content.

          • wdeee

            They’re not and anyone that logs on can see them. I’m done talking in circles with you.

          • MK

            Great! Because you don’t have a point. And, you choose two of the most unpopular straight porn sites to make your point. Call me when Brazzer starts to make bi porn.

        • Aunnez Stfleur

          Are those sites marketed as exclusively gay sites?

  • JohnnyVooDoo

    It’s weird people are flipping out about this and not the other. For some reason people are ok with both CF/GH taking the money the they made off of gay porn in order to launch straight porn alternates.

    They BOTH took it a step futher and strong armed/forced the very few gay men they had on rooster into straight and bi scenes and nobody cares ?

    Oh and btw. I absolutely love how Str8up/Zack sees the problem and yet back hands gay men for speaking out against this lol.

    • MC.EMC2

      CF and GH receive backlash all the time (well deserved BTW) but they keep ignoring their customers and fans so that’s a very poor argument you’re trying to use here

      • JohnnyVooDoo

        Not making an argument. I’m making a comparison.
        With what you just said ‘but they keep ignoring their customers’ so why shouldn’t! Men do the same.

        • MC.EMC2

          They’re all the same. They can all go to hell

    • Jace

      The difference is that CF/GH make you pay extra for bi and straight scenes. If you only want gay porn then you only pay for gay porn. Men aren’t given subscribers the choice. Bi scenes are fine, on a Bi porn site.

      • JohnnyVooDoo

        Ya true you do have to pay for it.
        However, they still do use gay networks to advertise the shit.
        I wish to never see or hear of it.

  • FeydRautha

    I don’t know shit about you apart from your comments on this thread…. BUT telling a woman to “calm her tits” if she’s speaking up about an issue is sexist! If you misgender a GAY MAN by likening him to a “hysterical woman” – that is HOMOPHOBIA!

    • Kevin Jones

      First, you inserted yourself into a conversation that had nothing to do with you.

      Second, I don’t care what gender you are. If I want to say something, I will say it and no one will stop me. Woman or not.

      Third, Trump is lying everyday, black people are harassed by white people for doing everyday things, people are losing their homes in California Wildfires and yet THIS is what angers you?! Time for a reality check.

      Have a Good Day and Good Bye.

      • FeydRautha

        Inserted myself into a conversation that had nothing to do with me?? Do you not know how message boards/comment sections work?! You post a comment (about “hysterical” people needing to “calm their tits”) and others post responses to said comment.

        “If I want to say something, I will say it and no one will stop me.”

        Apparently you’re free to say/post whatever you like, but no one else is… :/

        Not only are you a homophobe, but you’re a selfish hypocrite.

  • kireb

    Well, as a gay guy i’d rather watch this girl instead of AradDiego Sans.

  • peter

    Apparently Chrome just decided SUGP isn’t safe

  • Kevin Jones

    So, after downloading and watching this scene (For Free), I see why it has such a poor rating. Not because it’s bisexual (although that is an issue too) BUT because this is the MOST BORING SCENE EVER!

    Men. com’s first Bisexual scene and THIS is the best they could do?! That’;s just sad.

  • Pablo Hernandez

    You know, for being such an unpopular scene, it’s been watched 400% more times than the scene released the day before, 33% more than the scene released two days before, and more people like it cumulatively, currently 109, than the Jake Porter/Tobias scene from three days before, 104. The scene between Andy Star and Manuel Skye, two fantastic performers, has been viewed about 56k times and it was released in February. The bi scene is at 28k views in less than a day. Something to consider. The people who like something aren’t going to be nearly as vocal as the people who strongly dislike something. I’m pretty amazed by the intense hostility in a lot of the comments.

    • Kraterus

      I think that more people have watched the scene because of the controversy, rather than out of true interest. The number of votes reveals that most of those who have watched didn’t like it at all, even though you can give this whatever spin you prefer… Anyway, Men DID get what they wanted – lots of attention, albeit really negative one.

      What does surprise me A LOT, though, is the way in which most models have reacted, especially the so-called “gay” ones… You know, the very same ones who virulently attacked August Ames for simply stating that she didn’t want to work with crossover models, and drove her to suicide. Apparently, no one has a right to have boundaries and be upset about anything unless THEY consider it inappropriate – including fellow porn actresses or the public.

      • Pablo Hernandez

        When you say that most of those who watched didn’t like it at all, you are referring to 356 votes out of 30k views. 1% of viewers took the time to give it a down vote. It’s gone up 2k views in the hour since I posted.

        • some charge

          MEN counts all views, not just membership views, but you should’ve known that?

          • Pablo Hernandez

            That doesn’t really change the stats? People are watching it, and if not many people are watching it, then those same not many people are watching it over and over and over. Interpret it however you want.

          • some charge

            People are watching 2girls1cup, doesn’t mean they like it or want to subscribe to scat porn sites

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Are they really, though? When was the last time you watched it?

        • MK

          How much is MEN paying you to do damage control? You don’t get it, don’t you? You bisexuals will not force your shit on gay men! You can twist your stupid numbers however you like, the fact remained that gay men will not tolerate your shit. Go try forcing it on straight porn. No, you can’t because they are even more intolerant to your crap.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            I’m not bisexual, so I find this totally hillarious.

          • MK

            Well, you’re clearly a self-loathing gay man which is far worst.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            I am SOOOO glad you get to label me. Thanks.

          • MK

            You’re welcome, now go see a therapist.

          • Kraterus

            I think that he is just reacting to the act that you seem to be presenting this under a very positive light. I don’t think that (mis)-labelling you is the intention, rather than expressing bafflement at the fact that only one narrative has been chosen – that one of success against all other possibilities.

            As Some Charge has mentioned, MEN counts all views, not only members. Some people might be watching out of curiosity, to see what the controversy is all about, and not necessarily because they are delighted. This could not be the case.

            The language was a bit blunt, but MK’s intentions were essentially good. Please, don’t get offended.

        • Kraterus

          OK, then. Everybody likes it, apparently.

          It’s impossible for people to watch it out of morbid curiosity because it’s the biggest stunt that MEN has ever pulled – it’s officially the most popular scene ever, and people don’t vote it because they don’t want to clash with bigots who will never even know that they voted in the first place.

          If we take into account how unpopular it is proving to be everywhere, I’m surprised that you’re assuming that people are rushing to watch it because they love it. I guess that those thousands upon thousands of individuals who adamantly asked for bisexual scenes, must have gotten a sudden attack of shyness when it comes down to showing their appreciation when and where it counts the most – by voting.

          Anyway, thank you for the statistics. They prove that gimmicks are popular because people would rather watch a car crash than a beautiful, peaceful scene. That is all, in my opinion.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            The point is, barely anybody ever votes for any of the scenes. There are scenes from 5+ years ago that have less votes than today’s scene. Anybody with any sort of background in retail knows that dissatisfied people are MUCH louder than satisfied people. Today’s scene has just as many likes as the average scene from men, there is just a very vocal, very displeased group of viewers, as well.

            I am curious to know how many people with a very vocal opinion are actually paying customers, or just feel entitled to bitch about it.

    • some charge

      I’m pretty amazed at homophobes trying to manipulate the numbers to justify their anti-gay propaganda

      • Pablo Hernandez

        I’m gonna need some citations for the manipulated numbers, thanks. I took the time to look them up, all accurate at the time.

        • some charge

          The only accurate number is universal dislike of this anti-gay stunt and a completele loss for homophobes like you, Arad and MEN.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            I’m sorry about whoever hurt you.

          • some charge

            Poor homophobe, noone likes your pussy porn

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Fact Check!
            1. I provided data, not an opinion.
            2. Are you even a paying customer? Is your opinion relevant? My access to the like/dislike info says mine is.
            3. I had nothing to do with production.

            Fake news.

          • some charge

            Using Trumpian language to defend your homophobia… how cute.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Please cite the homophobia. Feel free to use quotes.

          • some charge

            Your entire messages are 100% pure homophobia and pussy-worshipping

          • Pablo Hernandez

            So you can’t provide one quote? Got it.

    • Bastian

      You have made a lot of effort to find a positive in this situation and confirm your theory, although it’s really false. I understand you’re a bi porn fan, well that’s fine, but look it elsewhere, and don’t try to convince others that is what they want on a gay website, because that’s how it looks.

      Views don’t prove anything, as they are also counted for the trailer that was posted days before. Besides people click out of curiosity, since it got a huge buzz on the blogs, and it’s something that they didn’t expected on a gay site, so they try to find out how much bi this scene really is. If it has more views it’s logical that it has more votes. Vote not casted is also a vote – in this case, to the disadvantage of people like you.

      • Pablo Hernandez

        I haven’t made a lot of effort, really, and I haven’t tried to turn it into a positive, just assessed it on the available information. I haven’t tried to make anyone like what they don’t like, or suggested anybody should watch what they don’t want to watch. The point that should be understood is the opinion of anyone who is not a subscribing member of Men should shut the fuck up, because their opinion is neither wanted nor necessary. If you are paying for it, tell me how they wasted your money on something you don’t want. But otherwise, shut the fuck up. Are you a paying, subscribing member?

  • Jonas

    I have followed Arad since its kickoff and I must say that I was surprised that he agreed to do this scene after reading his story of how he left his native country (Iran) because he could not be who he was because of his sexuality; for the gay community and for gay porn is a slap in the face that this character appears in a scene with a woman and also days after this embarrassing moment has not been pronounced or via twitter or instagram.

    I unfollowed him in ALL of his social media plataforms, I think he’s not gay, I think he’s a fraud, he’s taken advantage of the gay community for years. obviously he will continue with his brand because that’s him, A BRAND you know!?.. ” the middle east MACHO MAN tall, dark , handsome with a beard and muscles” but for me it’s another gar4pay that hides behind the shadow of the gay community to make money

    • MC.EMC2

      Agreed. We need to stop endorsing this heteronormative, self-loathing behaviour coming from performes or studios… Let’s stop giving these people our money and attention until they all fall into complete oblivion…

    • occupyfannypack

      wow! i did not think of this in this way! it makes lots of sense now… so, basically another “Brandon Cody” or “Jeff Cope” smh

      • Jonas

        that’s correct my friend

  • FeydRautha

    Ah, can’t come up with a valid argument in response, so you resort to posting a catty gif… typical.

  • MK

    EvilAngel is unpopular as my neighbors dog, what’s your point? When Brazzer or any other top straight porn sites start to show bi porn, you can talk to me.

  • n24rc

    I think I would appreciate the scene more if they put a bag on the bitches head with the face of some other porn actor, that actively queer baits in the straight porn world. At least it would have been funny, if it was the face of a few of the cock teases on the straight side – Like Johnny Sins!

  • ViktorTausk

    Foremost it’s impossible to watch because even for Men’s extremely low standards it is a pretty awful scene. Boring and unintentionally funny (and not in a good way).

  • spartan546

    Silvia is a beautiful woman and Arad is a stunning man. Perhaps the video got a bad rating because Daxx is an overpumped/bloated bore with a little dick? Who wants to see that?

  • onyx081

    I love how everyone here is claiming not to be biphobic or misogynistic while then proceeding to rant about how disgusting, vile and repulsive women are and how bisexual men are liars and cheaters and the scum of the Earth.

    • Aunnez Stfleur

      Not you claiming everyone is doing that. From what I’ve seen This is coming from like 5 members at the most unless you want to point them out.

  • Cake

    Thank you for this, Zach.

    “Using the scene to leave comments degrading women or bisexuals, however, is not fair, and people doing that are no better than the straight men who would insult gays.”

    I’m bisexual…it is extremely hard to find real MMF porn where the men are actually “in” the scene you know?

    It wasn’t just the same tasteless, lame ass plot Men scene. To me this was made to specifically make a mockery of bisexuals. If they wanted to see what their customers think because they truly wanted to add this to their site…you would think it would have been done a bit more tastefully. Maybe? I mean…it is Men. But still how hard is it to film a scene where all parties are turned on, ready to work, into each other and making a good scene? I mean they are professionals right?

    Guys in Sweatpants and CockyBoys do it. Helix even does it.

    This was fucking embarrassing and shameful.

  • TB

    ALL INVOLVED are sending the same message as the religious right…that being gay is a choice! They think its “just porn” yet strive to be worshipped by as many followers as possible…and then make a video that tells many of these followers that being gay IS a choice and that THEY TOO could easily change if a persecuted gay like Arad can. What a bunch of stupid motherfuckers! Actions have consequences and their “just porn” no doubt has pushed many gay teens/adults further into depression or possibly suicide. Shame on thesefuckers!

  • FeydRautha
  • JJ

    No one forced Arad to do the scene, he did it because he wanted to do it. He’s been liking pics of women models, sometimes of boobs on Instagram for months. It’s no surprise to me if he’s bi. That’s ok. He should just own up to it. His story of coming here to the US to escape them wanting him to be straight is shot though and how he handled it at first on Twitter was ridiculous. This studio is also owned by straight homophobic company. No wonder they did this scene. Do more and they’ll just loose more subscribers. Why not on a separate site with g4payers? Wonder what Men’s previous owners think of this mess?

  • HoratioCaine

    it’s simply ghastly