Exclusive—Arad Winwin Responds To Criticism Of Bisexual Scene And Questions About His Sexuality: “I’m A Gay Man, And This Was Only A Job”

Posted August 3, 2018 by with 422 comments

19-1Earlier this week, Men.com faced severe backlash and criticism from viewers who took issue with the gay porn studio for releasing a bisexual scene. While criticism of the studio and how they released this scene was fair (customers of a gay porn studio are paying for gay porn scenes, not bisexual scenes), the backlash against performers who appeared in the scene was not. Porn stars have to earn their paychecks just like anyone else, and while criticism of content and how it’s marketed is good, launching personal attacks against performers for simply showing up to set and doing their jobs obviously crosses the line.

The attacks against gay porn star Arad Winwin have been particularly bad, as the Iranian-born performer has faced a wave of harassment on social media all week, with some accusing the openly gay performer of being “secretly straight,” or of being “converted” into heterosexuality by Men.com producers after performing in this scene. This would then mean that all the straight guys who perform in gay sex scenes are being “converted” into being gay, right? This is the kind of deranged logic we normally see from the Family Research Council, not so-called gay porn fans.

To clear up any absurd confusion or misconceptions, Str8UpGayPorn reached out to Arad Winwin to get his take on what it was like working on the scene, and our brief conversation is below.

0004Str8UpGayPorn: Hi Arad. There’s been a lot of speculation about you from some commenters since the release of your bisexual scene, where you had sex with female porn star Silvia Saige. Just so everyone is clear, you’re gay, right?
Arad Winwin: Yes, I’m a gay man.

Had you ever had sex with a woman before? Was it challenging, or were you nervous?
As I’ve said in many interviews before, I had girlfriends when I lived in Iran, so no, I wasn’t nervous.

One of the comments I’ve seen is that being in a bisexual scene like this would “convert” you from being gay into being straight, or maybe bisexual.
This was only a job, and it was nothing more. Nothing personal. I was working, and it was like any other scene I’ve done.

16-3Would you do another bisexual scene if a studio offered it to you?
I’m here to work and make money, and I’m focused on my future, so yes, I’ll take any project that I’m able to do.

What about a straight scene, with just you and a girl?
I don’t think I’d be able to do that, because I’m a gay man. But, I just want everyone to know that this is all only business. It’s marketing, it’s business, and it’s nothing personal.

Thank you so much, Arad.

0010ICYMI, here’s the trailer for Arad Winwin’s bisexual scene, “The Challenge” (watch full scene here):

[Men.com: Arad Winwin, Silvia Saige, Daxx Carter]

 

  • Good to hear from him, honestly. He didn’t deserve any of the backlash.

    • some charge

      He deserves all the backlash for promoting idea that gay is a choice and lying about his sexuality to get US citizenship.

    • Ulf Raynor

      Absolutely correct, Men does.

  • Tim

    one of the things about being uninterested in a performer is how little they register for you, especially compared to the ones you follow most. I somehow see, given Twitter’s algorithm, a whole lot of negative stuff about a few performers, which is probably disproportionate. but it seems these performers are always dealing with harassment. I can’t imagine the spike. do people not have better uses of their time?

  • FrenchBug

    Why in Goodness’ Gracious me would people – rightfully outraged and bothered at this scene they may be – target the *performer*, especially on such idiotic terms is beyond me.
    However, considering what had happened to Blake Riley back in the day, it should have come as no surprise.

    • some charge

      He chose to do this homophobic scene, while having limits in gay sex, he has no limits in fucking women. So deserves everything that is said to him.

      • Pablo Hernandez

        Right, because he was clearly up there fisting a woman and letting her fuck him with a strap on. He CLEARLY has no limits where women are concerned.

      • Ulf Raynor

        I haven’t watched the scene, but my husband, who is bisexual, watched it last night.
        He thought it was horrible.

        He thought that Arad topping either of the two, was wooden and completely devoid of any passion or energy but at least he maintained an erection, despite the fact neither Daxx or Sylvia demonstrated anything that could be considered marginally good cocksucking or bottoming skills.
        He thought the woman was gross and skanky and the guy (Daxx) looked like he was in pain the entire time he was being fucked.
        There were only brief moments of kissing and Arad never once performed any kind of oral (either rimming, vaginal or cock)
        On a scale of 1 to 10, he gave it a 2 and the only reason it got a 2 from him, was he thought Arad was kinda cute and Daxx had a nice big beefy muscle butt.

    • Kraterus

      I don’t think that he was ever targeted. Some people did loudly criticize him and make comments, but no one engaged in a witch hunt or try to bully him into apologizing and renouncing his beliefs – you know, unlike some people did with August Ames, who was the target of a vicious social media campaign that drove her to commit suicide, waged by the same people who have been “shocked” by the “intolerance” and “narrow-mindedness” of gay men, just because she said that she didn’t want to work with them.

      MindGeek/MEN have made a bad business decision based on the interests of a few producers/models and their fans on Twitter and Instagram. Their claim that bisexual scenes were included due to popular acclaim is false; we can see how good the results have been and, also, they didn’t even bother publicizing it after they saw the initial reaction: bad sign!

      However, the thing that has infuriated most consumers is the arrogance that many porn actors have displayed, as well as their morbid obsession with heterosexism and barely veiled homophobia. I also find it funny that bisexual men who are DESPERATE to show how turned on they are by women, use bisexuality as a means to show how evolved and taboo-free they are, and view gay sexuality is “narrow-minded” and “limited”, would have the cheek to lecture gay men regarding what we should like and how tolerant we should be… All the while, they would never dream about doing something similar with heterosexual people (unless that person is an isolate actress they can bully relentlessly).

      I am yet to hear some of this scene’s defenders (Logan Moore, who claims that it is many gay men fantasize about having threesomes with girls, and criticizing this scene will prevent these men from fulfilling their desires… Sure) demand that MIXED porn be shown in Brazzers, for example… Also, if bi porn is the ideal and it is SO very popular, why is it that bi sites aren’t dominating the market? Therefore, does it make sense to impose it on gay men, when MG relegates it to subsidiary, less popular sites in their straight side, and it has a VERY niche market?

      The answer is NO.

      • Pablo Hernandez

        Kraterus, I’m very curious to know whether you actually have a membership to the website. Are you this personally outraged because your monthly membership produced pussy porn?

        • Kraterus

          Indeed. I am still a member because I made the mistake of paying for a full year, but I won’t be renewing my membership. Also, I am personally outraged by the situation, the implications it has and the statements made.

          For you bisexual people it’s fine, but not for everyone else. Also, I hope to see you loudly and indignantly demanding the same you write in here, when it comes to Brazzers – fully bisexual scenes in MGs flagship web pages. However, I suspect that you would never even think about daring to do such a thing, and you would find ways to justify the negative response of the straight viewers.

          Still, I’d like to thank you for the fact that you have kept everything within the bounds of civility.

          I’d also like to state that no one means to say that bisexual people are evil and undeserving of respect or that they don’t exist. But we have a right to demand that nothing is imposed to us, and we should be free to express what we want (in this case, dislike for the unwanted presence of females in our porn), instead of being told how horrible, bigoted, overemotional and “narrow-minded” we are, and how the fact of our oppression should make us willing to accept anything from anyone.

          I think that this is easy enough to understand.

          • Ulf Raynor

            Again, I couldn’t agree more, you joined a gay website, payed your fees and have a reasonable expectation that your getting what you paid for.
            I would not expect, if I were bi or str8, to find gay porn on a bi/str8 site if I was paying for Bi or str8 porn.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            This is where you argue yourself in circles. Firstly, I’m not bisexual. Secondly, FYI, there is bisexual porn on brazzers all the time. Thirdly, I haven’t seen anyone treating you the way you are suggesting you’ve been treated. If you cited the harassment you are responding to it might help back up your points. Not finding anything sexually gratifying about a vagina is not misogynistic. Saying that vaginas are disgusting and make you want to vomit is misogynistic.

          • Ulf Raynor

            No, treating a woman like she was disgusting would be misogynistic, saying the idea of or seeing vaginas makes you feel ill is exactly that, it has nothing to do with how you treat women or interact with them.

          • Kraterus

            True. Excellent points.

          • Kraterus

            I have never said that I have been harassed or badly treated. I have just mentioned that some posters have made these points, and some people on Twitter were making them (sorry, but I am not going to link every single post – you can read the entire comments section here to find them and go by the few comments I have linked from Logan Moore… Go to Twitter if you want to see more).

            I have never said that vaginas are repulsive and that they make me want to vomit, and I have not read anyone making those comments. If they have made them, that’s awful – especially because we were all conceived in a vagina, and came out of it. Still, not liking women and not wanting them in gay porn is not the same as misogyny, which is what many people here have implied.

            Also, I had never gone to Brazzers because well, I don’t care for straight porn – they don’t even have a category for bisexual scenes, but they do have lesbian and threesomes in different groupings… Is that what you call bisexual? Because I’ve gone through their entire front page, and there was nothing in which two men interacted sexually with each other… Then again, maybe I don’t know where to look. Do enlighten me, please.

            And I am not arguing myself in circles. I am simply stating my opinion. The fact that you haven’t been able to counter my arguments to the point of eliciting an angry response that would invalidate my discourse, or nullifying, doesn’t mean anything. We simply don’t agree, and that’s the end of it.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            They have MFF threesomes all the time where the women interact. The closest to male interaction they have would be double anal or double vaginal penetration, which believe me, to the insecure straight male viewers, is a big issue, and they bitch and moan probably more about that than the commenters here have about the bisexual scene. There are other occasional exciting moments in some of the scenes with more guys. A guy and a girl made out right after she’d just finished sucking dick, that was pretty hot. But sometimes straight male viewers of porn will complain that the guy is too attractive, that’s how insecure they are, and for awhile that’s why so many older, overweight, unappealing men were being featured in straight porn in the 90’s. Thank god straight porn stopped catering to that demographic.

          • Kraterus

            Well, then – female bisexuality is fetishized by MANY straight men, so it’s normal that they would include scenes of this nature. That’s not the same as presenting a bisexual scene in a gay site, given that most gay men do not have any interest in watching women (just look at the reaction, and how MEN have tried to shush it all away).

            You have stated yourself how much viewers at Brazzers complain whenever two men have any form of sexual contact, even if incidental. Therefore, do you think that the backlash would have been any less if they presented a MMF threesome in which the men actually had sex with each other? Obviously not… Insecure or not, prejudiced or not, viewers are paying for the product they want and they are not hurting anyone in the process. Imposing something on them and then accusing them of being intolerant for not liking it, is bad business practice and unprofessional. After all, people are there to get off, not to be told what to like and participate in a PC crusade against “discrimination”, “misogyny” and God knows what else…

            As for straight porn catering to a particular demographic that feels threatened by attractive men… Well, so what? We shouldn’t really care what straight viewers want or don’t want; especially because this is not a part of this debate. Sorry if I am being blunt. However, if attractive men are the norm now, I guess that this is because most people just want to see good-looking individuals having sex, and nothing more.

            Anyway, thank you for your answer.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            What I WOULD be mad at is if Brazzers never had another MMMF scene because the insecure homophobe straight guys can’t handle seeing more than one dick on the screen at the same time. If Brazzers caved to the people that complained, because they didn’t like a small portion of what Brazzers was producing, I’d be pissed off.

            But I think those straight guys who complain are just as ridiculous as the gay guys here who are complaining. You are presenting it as if because you think it is okay for straight guys to be offensive and judgmental, it must also be okay for gay guys to be offensive and judgmental. Instead of just saying maybe no one should be offensive and judgmental. And certainly, our first amendment rights entitle all of us to be as big a jackass as we please. And I guess to be an American means to take advantage of the right as often and as loudly as possible.

            Or instead, we could recognize that we could also decide to be decent people, to each their own, live another day. But that damned first amendment right and being American. So everybody’s a jackass.

          • MK

            Lesbians complain all the time how straight men have destroyed lesbian porn. I’m sure you don’t find many lesbians watching Brazzers. We don’t want women doing the same to gay porn. Gay4pay has already done a good job of destroying gay porn.

          • TB

            That’s it! You dumbfuck troll! We aren’t talking about lesbians here and YOU didn’t mean MFF when you made your statement. OF COURSE men are gonna be fine with lesbians on a straight side! Are you daft!?

          • Pablo Hernandez

            I didn’t say anything about lesbians. Interesting point though, when it comes to female performers, most people don’t give a shit whether they are gay, or bi, or straight. The subject doesn’t come up. They also make a big deal about someone’s first scene with a boy, or first scene with a girl, so it’s actually a genre that is pretty prevalent. Not all straight men are fine with lesbian porn, actually, and not all straight men are fine with anal. It seems like you are the one who is believing all people should be open to everything, as you are accusing others of.

          • TB
          • MK

            I agree with you, this guy is just a straight-worshipping TROLL. One point of correction, not all of us came out the vagina. Some are Platinum star gays, which was born via c-section. LOL. I agree that women vaginas shouldn’t be disrespected. I’m exclusively gay, but a woman’s vagina doesn’t gross me out. I just don’t want to see it in my gay porn. There’s no shortage of vagina porn out there for those that like it.

          • Kraterus

            Platinum gays are like unicorns in Medieval times: the most precious, magical and sought after creatures in the world! LOL!

            I don’t want to attack anyone personally, so I won’t be calling him that. Still, I must admit that I do agree with your assessment up to a certain extent.

            And you’re right – there isn’t a shortage of straight porn – we don’t need more, especially in spaces created for gay men. Then again, when you have closet bisexuals who claim to be gay among your employees, and these constantly say that many gay men crave sex with women and that if you want to be enlightened, awesome and truly intelligent, you must love this as a gay man, I guess that it’s normal for MG, who don’t know their market, to think that this is the norm.

            Personally, I am shocked by the arrogance and dishonesty of many porn models – Arad has at least tried to justify himself by saying that this is a job, but Griffin Barrows, Logan Moore and The Ford have gone all out saying that people are talking bullshit and that our prejudices are preventing gay men who dream about having sex with women, from living their lives openly and healthily… Really?

            And these are the same men who have a pathological obsession with sleeping with married men, sleeping with bi guys and their girlfriends and with any female who gives them 10 seconds of attention. Yes, the ideal people to get on a moral high horse to insult gay men and tell us what we should like, what our opinions should be and how we should behave.

          • TB

            Its hilarious(and pathetic and sad) that Griffin tries to justify every sexual thing he does as it being a “character” he created and isn’t really him. Bitch please! Yah, me too! Every time I’m cruising for sex or having sex or masturbating too long, I’m just gonna say it’s my “character” I created. LMAO SMFH

          • Kraterus

            he claims that he grew up in a very repressive and ultra-religious environment, so maybe it’s normal that he ricocheted towards the other end of the spectrum as soon as he was given some measure of freedom. Still, he IS off-putting and really gross, obviously suffers from internalized homophobia and hi obsession with married men and bisexual couples is weird.

            But oh well – if he needs to call it “a character” in order to deal with it, what can we do about it? We’re not the ones who are delusional, thankfully.

          • MK

            Perfectly said.

          • Bill Beumel

            See, all of that judgement you just passed to label bisexual men? Offensive. Discriminatory. Slander.

          • Kraterus

            Why? Because I’ve quoted their Twitter feed?

            I’m such a horrible human being! And of course, I have been making SO MANY blanket statements against bisexuals! Too bad you won’t be able to find them but… Eh, the idea is to paint me as a demon, right?

          • Bill Beumel

            I hope you at least entertain yourself with your histrionics.

          • Kraterus

            I do, thank you very much. And I needn’t attack anyone in order to do it!

            Oh, no! I forgot how I am a bigot who makes offensive, discriminatory and slanderous comments about ALL bisexual men!

            Thank you for the laughs, honey 😀

          • Bill Beumel

            “And these are the same men who have a pathological obsession with sleeping with married men, sleeping with bi guys and their girlfriends and with any female who gives them 10 seconds of attention.”

            But you didn’t stereotype anyone …

          • Kraterus

            No, I didn’t: I have simply used the statements of some supposedly gay porn models and posted them here. Go see the Twitter feeds of Logan Moore, Griffin Barrows, Theo Ford and others, and you will see that they frequently talk about these things while claiming to be gay, and saying that these behaviours are normal and highly desirable for gay men. I have even posted some images of Logan Moore’s opinion in this thread – go see them if you don’t believe me.

            I have NEVER said that ALL bisexual men are like that. NEVER. In fact, I have made some positive comments about bisexuals (see the image attached – I’ve even highlighted it in yellow for you!).

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/68a6114415aadcb8803773d842855e46dd0fca0d3c2848ba0153d75c377c8927.jpg

            So no, you are not right and you cannot misquote a statement made about a SPECIFIC group of people, and accuse me of making blanket statements against bisexual men.

            Please, don’t be dishonest.

          • TB

            He cant even grasp what bisexual means apparently. MMF? Yep, bisexual porn. He’s just arguing to argue. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9fa503a416a6479370dc97d2d0ad71213fa5766ff049c2181d0d4cdae594db8c.gif

          • TB

            You have got to be fucking kidding me! There may be MMF porn on Brazzers but it’s absolutely NOT bisexual porn! The guys are NOT doing anything with each other! How can you even argue your points here if you can’t even understand this? I think you just like arguing for arguing sake. Smfh

          • Pablo Hernandez

            So Brazzers features a performer having with sex partners of both genders. That’s bisexual porn. Evilangel features bisexual porn. Kink features bisexual porn. Get over it. If there is more than one man in a scene, they absolutely interact with each other, they may just not be fucking each other. Love when two guys share a hole. Friendly fire cumshots. Creampie gangbangs. Kissing a girl after she’s been sucking cock. Pegging scenes. Maledom. “straight” porn can get pretty damn homoerotic..

          • Casey Scott

            So let me get this straight… MEN uploads a scene a day, every month of the year. That’s 365 scenes a year!! So 1/365 scenes is reason enough for you to leave your membership? The presence of a woman in a sex scene? Going by MEN’s usual output, it seems there are plenty of other reasons to cancel your membership LOL

          • Hari Kalyan

            It’s one scene NOW, but how do you know they don’t plan more? Its best to voice your disapproval now and cancel so as to not finance more bisexual content that you disapprove of.

      • Ulf Raynor

        Here, here.
        I’m fed up with people trying to force vaginas into gay porn or shame me into thinking I’m somehow transphobic or biphobic because I don’t want to see, eat or fuck vagina or watch it being done in my porn.
        I’m gay, I love cock and balls and big hairy asses, if your questioning your gayness then go to your favorite nightclub and take home one of your str8 girl buds and have at it, I’m sure she’s been dreaming of the moment she could turn you str8.

        • Kraterus

          Exactly. Thank you for stating everything much more succinctly than I ever could (I write too much, I know!)

          • Ulf Raynor

            I’m a hardcore gay erotic artist, making a statement with the least amount of words is basically what I do.
            I could just slap up a bunch of my art, maybe then people might remember why they are gay.

          • Kraterus

            I’d really like to see that 😉

        • Julio Grandeur

          Its… one video lmao

        • CamCam

          I couldn’t agree with you more even if i tried!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • FrenchBug

    I would have actually preferred the performers in this scene had been genuinely bisexual.
    Gay-for-pay infuriates me and demeans gays but making a GAY man have sex with a woman for any reason. be it money, is even worse. It is so so so so vile and harkens to such dark and unfortunate aspects of the gay experience. How can anyone have NOT expected this to be hugely triggering for many of us?
    Attacking Arad for his choice is stupid. Sex workers do what they want with their bodies.
    But a straight conglomerate paying a GAY MAN to have sex with a woman (when Lord knows they had “straight” or bisexual performers aplenty to choose from for this scene) is incredibly pernicious and offensive and I hate them even more than I already did.

    • Hari Kalyan

      Not that I agree with attacking him, but I think the outrage you voiced at the studio is why some are also saying Arad’s hands aren’t completely clean either. He knows he’s a gay man, and yes he’s simplying doing a job but shouldn’t he have known how offensive (to use your word) that casting choice would be? I mean Arad isn’t exactly starving for work (even though I find him boring) he can surely get work elsewhere and didn’t NEED to do this scene. He is a GAY MAN who CHOSE to do this scene.

      • some charge

        He’s not gay. And he CHOSE to do this scene to spit in the face of actual gay men.

        • FrenchBug

          MindGeek making this scene and hiring him of all people to make this scene is spitting in the fact of actual gay men.
          Arad making this scene is him not caring.
          There is a difference that justifies being angry at Mindgeek and simply letting Arad reap what he sowed in terms of popularity and career.

          • TB

            Absofuckinglutely!

          • n24rc

            I don’t think Mindgeek cares, they just look at their analytics and decide on what content is popular, and as mentioned – this scene has been down rated the lowest on the site…so they aren’t going to bother with it in the future.

            They want the pinkdollar but without having to pay as much for the talent. And it shows…

            In gay porn men are paid more, and both are paid on the same scale. IN straight porn the women get paid more, but the men are paid minimum. I think it’s about the cost of production, if they can reduce their costs by adding a few of the straight talent to the scenes, they’d get some additional clicks for the notoriety of the straight male talent going gay. Remember Rocco? When they announced he was going to shoot gay scenes the internet exploded with a lot of focus on their content…but the scenes were lackluster. There is plenty of talent on the straight side who obviously have sex with men in the past, but because of stigmas won’t work in gay porn since women are notoriously insecure about guys who side eye other men and have an irrational fear of HIV.

      • FrenchBug

        I agree with you. And the fact he chose to do this before he even agreed to bottom speaks volume.
        I also think it is strange to want to emphasize how mechanical your performances are and how unrelated to actual desire what you provide on-screen is. Certainly puts his other performances in perspective (another thing I blame for the decline of porn: the mystery helps the illusion, folks!).

        But I have to be coherent with myself. If I respect sex workers choosing to do what they want with their own bodies, I cannot put the blame on them, whatever I think of their choices.
        However I don’t feel bad for Arad because, as I said in my other comment, this reaction was perfectly predictable and the choice he made, and that I respect, was made knowing there could be backlash. But I choose not to direct my ire at him, even if it were in a saner more respectful way than the Twitter trolls.

      • G. Lo

        He is a sex worker but first and foremost he’s a worker, period. If models at MEN dot com were striking and he did this scene, then yeah I’d be pissed, otherwise this is so fucking stupid. Anyone decrying “damage” this does to gay men are speaking from a luxury of being well off to consume and clutch their pearls at their leisure.

        • Kanaka

          Thank you. Damage, conversion, hundreds of words per post. What a bunch of verbose drama queens.

        • Hari Kalyan

          But as gay men who subscribe to a gay site for gay content to now see it add bisexual content where a gay porn model engages in sex with a woman, i would say they have a right to voice concern at the very least

      • Kraterus

        Excelent points as well. However, we should remember that many porn guys identify as gay, when they are in reality bisexual.

        Dealing with this semantic game is important so that we know that in reality we are not seeing the actions of a real gay man, but those of a bisexual who might overwhelmingly prefer men, but only calls himself gay for affinity reasons.

        The same is applicable to most gay porn models, apparently…

        • David Siegel

          How do you KNOW what’s in his heart or his head? He comes from a very homophobic culture, where gays are thrown from roof tops. Things are a lot more open here, now, but I grew up in a time when holding another man’s hand was an illegal act, for which gay men could be and were arrested. Although I’m out to everyone in my family and to my friends, I still am unable to say it as easily as younger people, who didn’t have to face those same challenges and who came along when the Gay Rights Movement was in full swing. I remember when there was a referendum on the ballot in Caligornia, where I was living, to fire gay teachers. And then there was Anita Bryant and her antigay, Orange Queen crusades. So, Arad might have dated and had sex with some women in his past and he could say to Iranian authorities, if there were ever a reason to, that he’s straight. “You see? I’m having sex with women, I’m not gay,”

          I’m 100% gay and I dated women a little, but it was after I fully came out that I actually had sex with a female friend, who was a friend in my group. I was curious and since she already knew that I was gay, I guess that I felt safe. Okay, okay, it was also at a Christmas party and we were very drunk, but I had been curious still the same. So, now am I supposed to call myself bisexual for having had that experience? I wasn’t getting paid, although for my outstanding performance, I should have been! (That’s a joke, people, don’t send me any nasty replies.) Arad did a job. Is there anybody here who hasn’t had to do a job that they weren’t crazy about, a least once?

          • clark kent

            ” I was curious and since she already knew that I was gay, I guess that I
            felt safe. Okay, okay, it was also at a Christmas party and we were
            very drunk, but I had been curious still the same. So, now am I
            supposed to call myself bisexual for having had that experience?”

            – What exactly did you do? Did you penetrate her? Or she just BJ’d you? If you achieved an erection with the girl and manage to perform penetrative sex with her, then congratulations, you’re NOT gay (as gay men are repulsed by vaginas). Semantics, baby!

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Your use of the word ‘repulsed’ is what is misogynistic. Not being attracted to something and being repulsed by it are not the same thing.

          • David Siegel

            You got it right, baby.

          • TB

            Oh FFS! ITS NOT MYSOGONISTIC! Just like I would NOT call a straight guy homophobic if he were repulsed by gay sex and the penises involved.

          • JasCo

            Repulsed by a sex act, and repulsed by body parts are NOT THE SAME THING!

          • TB

            Oh fuck off!

          • JasCo

            Great way to actually contribute to a discussion. They are not the same thing!

          • JasCo

            THANK YOU!

          • David Siegel

            I did it all, but I had to think about a man to get off. Bisexual men don’t have to do that. And that was over 40, yes 40 years ago.

          • Kraterus

            First of all, you don’t know whether he is lying out of self-interest, either. Second, he has states that he wanted to be free and didn’t want to be conscripted in the Iranian army, which is compulsory because all Iranian men are forced to do military service – THAT is why he would be killed if he went back to Iran, because he is a deserter in the eyes of the Iranian government. He said so in an interview. It was only later on that he mentioned anything about being gay.

            If he could have sex with women and didn’t mind it (and her clearly can, and doesn’t) he is not gay. He is a homo-romantic and homo-social bisexual man (as many other porn models appear to be). And I am sorry that you had to live through a period in which prejudice was more widespread and people like Anita Bryant could start a full blown media campaign against homosexuals, but that doesn’t change the reality of things and that doesn’t justify people’s hypocrisy. Oh, and by the way: Anita Bryant’s deranged, venomous antics completely destroyed what had been a very successful career – it’s not like she became this incredibly popular person and saw her fame increase. There is a limit to everything and people tend to get scared of extremes; that horrible old witch is proof of that.

            As for you, I am sorry, but you’re not gay, but incidentally bisexual: you openly state that you enjoyed what happened, you were already curious about it and seem proud of your “outstanding performance”. This isn’t a criticism or an attack, but merely a statement of fact. I do think, however, that when people like you, Arad, Logan Moore and many others appropriate the “gay” label and say that it’s normal and healthy for gay men to sleep around with women, you send a message that homosexuality is relative and that it can conform to hetero-normative behaviours – the wet dream of every insane person that wants to eradicate homosexuality (and no, the religious and the Conservatives aren’t the only ones who want this – Marxists have never been out friends, either), self-hating bisexuals and crazy women who claim to be allies, but are desperate to find validation by turning gay men straight.

            This is also a form of bi-erasure, because you’re denying what you are out of fear of rejection, which shouldn’t be the case: if you’re upfront with people, they have a choice to accept you or ostracize you, but it’s ultimately their choice (and possibly, their loss). Demanding honesty isn’t something unreasonable and it makes for a better, more understanding and open world. You see? Owning a label can do a lot of good.

            Thanks for your participation, anyway.

          • Kanaka

            Christ you’re like a gay Alex Jones

          • Kraterus

            Is that the most you can say? Typical: I don’t have any arguments, so I will accuse people of being irrational/right wingers/crazy religious freaks/clowns/ignorant/emotionally unstable/whatnot.

            Thank you for your spectacular contribution.

          • TB

            I bet this can has a reason for thinking it’s a can of peas, or labeling itself a can of peas. Lmao https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39d3c225f66a2e8da65ae80784de21c6d254000895d769a69c3766bc79c25046.jpg

          • Kraterus

            Oh, OK.

          • David Siegel

            That was my original point. You don’t know, but you seemed to make the assumption that he was lying and all I said was how do you know what’s in his mind and heart? He may indeed be lying, but not knowing any better, I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt. Secondly, I didn’t say that I enjoyed having sex with my friend. I said that I was curious and that I had to think about a man to get off. And not know me, and with no dog in this Arad fight, I have no reason to lie about my sexual feelings towards men and women. I wanted to see what the other 92% of the population finds so wonderful and for me it was and is NOTHING. I have never so much as thought about another sexual encounter with a woman since then. In my opinion, that makes me gay. I am not afraid of rejection, as you claim. I couldn’t care less what other people think of me, especially someone who doesn’t know me and whom I will never meet. If someone is bisexual, more power to them. They get to have sex with a much larger pool of people. You’re entitled to your opinion, but I’m willing to bet that the vast majority would take my view over yours. You know what they say: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one (I’m NOT calling you an asshole, just for clarification, just holding a simplistic, dogmatic viewpoint, unable to accept people for whom or what they say they are).

        • clark kent

          Agree. Gay men are repulsed by vagina so if you manage to have sex with them without ED drugs, definitely, you’re NOT gay. So if Arad had sex with women before, did he do it without ED drugs? Was it a penetrative sex?

          If yes, then Arad can’t be gay. He must be bisexual.

          • mtopndc

            Not true. I am 100 percent gay and in my teens and early twenties I slept with a few women just to see what it was all about. I didn’t need ED drugs. And I am not BI!

          • Aunnez Stfleur

            Then how were you able to be aroused?

          • TB

            From what I understand, I myself didn’t even let myself get in the situation with a woman, with all the hormones going, just the wind blowing would give a teen guy a hard and could fuck a woman.

          • Jidecleison Josué

            but in adolescence people are still looking for what they are. arad is a grown man and knows what he wants

          • JasCo

            Not all gay men are “repulsed” by a vagina! Not being attracted to women and repulsed by their body parts are two very different things!

            This “argument” and this “issue” are not helping ANYONE. It is misogynistic and perpetuating outdated damaging myths about gay men.

            I still do not get, in 2018, how gay men can be so vile towards other gay men, and indeed men and women in general. The performers were paid to do a job and they did it. Respect their choices, shut up about women’s bodies being repulsive and grow up!

        • Hari Kalyan

          sorry but if someone says they identify as gay, I believe them. We can’t somehow assume we know more about their sexuality identity then they do. i think making that kind of assumption is kind of insulting, or at the very least intrusive.

          • Kraterus

            Oh well, it’s a matter of opinion. However, sexuality is about romantic attraction and sexual desire – for bisexual people, these two things come in differing degrees. If we say that a “straight” man who actively seeks sexual relationships with men because he enjoys them, isn’t straight after all even if he has a strong preference for women, we could say that same of a “gay” man who does the same with women but has a strong preference for men. I also took offence to the fact that this was presented as the height of liberation, open-mindedness and an ideal of enlightenment that we all should strive to achieve, instead of simply calling it bisexuality.

            Also, this is not intrusive because I am not relentlessly hounding these people or trying to interfere in their personal lives. I am simply stating something in the comment section of a blog, which doesn’t have any real effect in their lives. I am not trying to force them to do or not do anything, either. It’s an opinion like there are many, and people may choose to ignore it or not.

            Also, I find it funny that you would call my comments insulting… I haven’t called anyone fucked up, ignorant, overdramatic, insecure, childish, stupid or accused them of doing things that are detrimental for the emotional well-being of gay men, just because they don’t agree with me or they don’t like what I like. Some of the people you’re defending have, on the other hand.have done so.

          • TB

            You can’t change the definitions of fay, bi and straight just to fit your emotional hypothesis.

          • Kraterus

            How am I changing anything? Saying that gay people experience sexual desire and romantic feelings towards their same gender, straight people towards the opposite and bisexual people for both, in differing degrees depending on the individual, is changing the definition of gay, straight and bisexual? Really? Interesting…

            I am also talking about how some porn models have said that it’s normal to call oneself “gay” and want to have sex with women, and have accused anyone who disagreed of being ignorant, narrow-minded, fucked-up and whatnot… So yes, labels have meanings and I haven’t subverted them.

            I don’t know what your reply even means, to be honest.

          • Hari Kalyan

            Intrusive and insulting behavior need not be malicious. We can agree to disagree. But it just strikes me odd to perceive to know more about a person than they do.

    • Casey Scott

      This isn’t new. Radley Metzger paid Casey Donovan to have sex with a woman for the first time in OPENING OF MISTY BEETHOVEN (1975). Catalina paid Kevin Williams to have sex with a woman for the first time in THE SWITCH IS ON (1987). In both cases (and in many other cases of gay men having straight sex on-camera, including Tony Davis, Blake Riley, Randy Cochran, Joey Stefano, Arpad Miklos, the list goes on), it was about the gay performers exploring the spectrum of their sexuality. They also CHOSE to do their scenes. It’s really not a big deal.

      • some charge

        Just because homophobia and straight-worshipping have existed for millenia it doesn’t mean it’s not a big deal

        • Casey Scott

          None of the scenarios I referred to, or this scene with Arad, are examples of homophobia or straight-worshiping. Something that has also existed for millennia is misogyny, which I think is the root of a lot of the outrage over this scene.

          • FrenchBug

            Not wanting to have sex with women and not wanting women in my porn is not misogyny. Come on now! How can you state this with a straight face?

            And yes paying a gay man to go against his nature and have sex with a woman is straight-worshipping. Thinking gay men will be aroused at the thought of the men they are lusting after having sex with women is straight-worshipping.

          • Casey Scott

            ASKING a gay man if he’d like to do a straight scene, which he then ACCEPTS and gets paid for, is not straight-worshiping. In Arpad Miklos’ case, he approached Jake Cruise and asked HIMSELF if he could do a straight scene because he wanted to try it. Why are gay men not permitted to explore their sexual boundaries and where they fall in the Kinsey scale? This is like saying there’s only gay and only straight, which clearly isn’t the case.

            Disliking a porn scene specifically because there is a woman in it is absolutely misogyny. You can’t tell me everyone downvoting that scene on MEN’s website actually watched it. They simply gave it a negative rating because there’s a woman in it. How is that not misogyny? And now there are people on here calling a scene where two men have sex with each other and a woman “homophobic”? It’s bisexual porn. The “B” in LGBT stands for “bisexual”.

          • FrenchBug

            It is not misogyny because not being sexually attracted to women does not equal hostility to women.

            Men customers are paying for gay porn. If Men wants to produce bisexual content, they can create a bisexual affiliate – not displace the gay content their customers paid for. That’s the core of the complaint.

            Finally, I don’t know how the fact Arad willingly participated in this (which is true) negates the fact that this is straight-worshipping. That has literally nothing to do with anything: we are not talking about sexual experimentation here. Here, he is having sex with a woman under the assumption this will turn on his fans. That is the very definition of straight-worshipping.

          • Casey Scott

            Are you kidding me? Read all of the hostility towards this scene BECAUSE THERE’S A WOMAN IN IT!!! How is that not hostility towards women? Gay men expressing disgust at a woman is hostility towards women. You can not be attracted to women without commenting on how repulsive and/or offensive you find their naked bodies.

            Nowhere does Arad say he did this scene because he thought he’d turn on his fans by having sex with a woman. He says nothing about the viewers of this scene. You’re projecting.

          • TB

            Dude, he was practically cumming all over himself in posts on social media about his excitement about this and how he hoped his fans loved it. Smfh

          • Casey Scott

            If you’re going by his Twitter feed, every single post is dripping with excitement and horniness because he’s promoting himself to his fans. It could have been a scene where he stood in the background doing dishes while other people fucked and he’d post about it the exact same way.

          • TB

            I really just CAN’T with you anymore. You want to justify everything he does and act like you know it all because you are a porn “historian”. GTFOH!

          • TB

            Your logic holds no water. If they made a movie about the Black Panthers, but used a white actor to play Malcolm X AND the black community went ballistic…under your logic, the black community would be acting racist. Smfh

          • TB

            I don’t “project” bitch! I read it with my own eyes on his social media. Some of which disappeared from his stories or he deleted because of blowback.

          • JasCo

            MEN is a porn site. They can do what they want, change their output, hire and sack performers, whatever. One scene does not affect the thousands before it or the thousands after it.
            As a subscriber and viewer you can choose to subscribe/view, or not.

          • ShyGuy

            Not being attracted to women is NOT misogyny. Not wanting to watch str8/Bi porn is NOT misogyny. STOP trying to erase homosexuality.

            MEN is a gay porn site, that’s why subscribers have reacted so negatively. Mindgeek would never attempt this on their straight sites for a reason.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Yeah, but the way you share those opinions is what can be misogynistic.

          • TB

            Listening to your logic is almost as bad as listening to Sarah Huckabee Sanders manipulate logic and justify Trump’s bullshit.

          • JasCo

            Disliking a scene because of a female performer, or suggesting their presence is “disgusting” as some have, is directly focussed at them and sexist at best, misogynistic at worst.

          • Kraterus

            Disliking a scene because a woman is involved is misogyny?!?! REALLY??? Following that logic, if straight men watched a scene in which two men are involved and didn’t like it, they would be homophobic and if someone watched a scene with trans people and didn’t like it, they would be transphobic by default.

            That is the most preposterous, simplistic and shockingly transparent attempt at guilting people into acquiescing with certain tastes and desires, that I have seen throughout this entire situation. Also, how do you know that the people down-voting the scene didn’t watch it? Are your reading their minds? And countering this argument, why is it that the alleged legions of people who wanted these scenes, haven’t been voting it up to counter-balance the backlash? Especially if they want to keep getting this kind of material…

            Furthermore, gay men don’t have any interest in women, and this isn’t out of hatred – it’s simply that we are not attracted to them. Arpad Miklos was obviously not gay, as aren’t Arad, Logan Moore, Theo Ford, Austin Wolf, Griffin Barrows and many others. They might appropriate the gay label because it appeals to them, but they were and are clearly bisexual men who like to lord their “sophistication”, “open-mindedness” and “outrageousness” over gay men.

            Also, are you aware of the fact that people in the porn industry CAN and DO decline doing certain scenes or working with certain people all the time? No one is forcing them at gunpoint, you know… Such disingenuous and dishonest arguments are truly shocking.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            It’s preposterous to suggest that only Gold Star Gays are truly gay, and everyone else is an impostor.

          • Kraterus

            I have never said that. NEVER. People’s circumstances sometimes force them into situations that go against their nature (i.e., they could be rejected by their families, imprisoned or killed for being gay), and that is understandable.

            But saying that it is normal for gay men to have sex with women out of desire, and that this is somehow liberating, a form of enlightenment and toward which we all should aspire and the norm for the open-minded, intelligent and reasonable, IS FALSE.

            Desire for women is something that only bisexual men can experience, even if they prefer men. The identity or label that they chose is irrelevant, because reality cannot be denied. We are what we are, and that’s the end of it.

            I could call myself the Emperor of the Universe and claim that you are a bigot for telling me that I am delusional, but that won’t change the fact that I am a human being like any other and most definitely not the emperor of anything. Claiming to be gay while engaging in bisexual behaviours, presenting hetero-normativity and heterosexuality as something wonderful and then accusing truly gay men of bigotry when they react negatively, is a form of dishonesty.

            Also, promoving the agenda that gay = open bisexuality is untrue. It is harmful to both gay men, because it implies that we can change, and it is harmful to bisexuals because it increases bi-erasure. Furthermore, not everyone’s sexuality is fluid. Even among bisexual people – many of them experience the same desires and needs throughout their entire lives. “Fluidity” is the fashionable term du jour, but that doesn’t mean that it is real for everyone and that it should be pushed onto us.

            It’s simple, if you think about it.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            So … who is saying that? Can you please link to their post, their comment, wherever it is you saw this opinion that you’re responding to? Because nobody here is arguing that gay men should have a desire to have sex with women. I have not seen that comment. Gay men are not the only audience of gay porn, and gay men are not the only consumers with memberships to Men. You seem to think that because people have had a blasé response to a bisexual scene, that they were not immediately, indignantly outraged, suggests that they believe everybody should be happily consuming bisexual porn. Telling people to get over it and look the other way is not demanding people recognize, appreciate, and masturbate to it.

          • Kraterus

            Several porn models have made these statements, and they have been echoes here, with slight variations (misogyny, biphobia, hysteria, close-mindedness… etc). Logan Moore is the main culprit among the porn models, though. See the images attached.

            I don’t think that because people have reacted positively or indifferently to a bisexual scene, that they want everyone to consume it. But there have been enough people here and on Twitter who have claimed that not seeing this as something awesome and liberating and fun, is horrible and evil. Some have even implied that we are being extremely biphobic and misogynistic by simply expressing our dislike for this scene, and the way in which it has been presented and incorporated into the main site. That is a dishonest argument, and several people in this thread have made it (just look a few responses up).

            Also, people needn’t get over anything if they have paid for it. That’s why companies make market research and tailor their products to match the needs, desires, values and interests of their target consumers: because we are the ones paying for it, and we don’t want to be told what we should want or like.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f99645e7ae927dc9754673cd7cb9460f854f7b9904e71f787f584efc332440cc.jpg

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82304a66bdd4e3fdd0cd0db6ae1208472cff27b32a484b86ecf1cede21229057.jpg

          • Diomedes

            God, when will Logan stop writing like a toddler?

          • Hari Kalyan

            Right! I read the first few lines twice and thought i was having a stroke. I can’t understand a word he’s trying to say

          • MK

            I’m sick and tired of you wanting to force this crap on gay men!

          • JasCo

            “this crap?”

            It is not forced upon us! We do not have to watch it!

          • JasCo

            Totally agree. I can only imagine how all this ridiculous backlash is affecting Sylvia, who outside of porn appears to be a very charming, intelligent, very accepting of gays type of person. She did not sign up for this crap either, especially the showing of dislike and disgust because of her gender.

          • Maximus

            That is entirely fallacious logic, and you know it. If I don’t care for a porn scene because it features a female model, and I am not sexually attracted to females, it doesn’t mean that I have a negative or otherwise prejudiced social attitude toward females.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            So would paying a straight man to go against his nature and have sex with a man also be straight-worshipping, or would that be gay-worshipping? Just so I know what we’re supposed to be outraged about.

          • Casey Scott

            Ha, good point, Pablo! Also, is thinking gay men will be aroused at the thought of the STRAIGHT men they are lusting after having sex with MEN considered straight-worshiping? Because virtually no company producing content today would be innocent of that.

          • FrenchBug

            It absolutely is. And no company producing content today is innocent of that. Absolutely. I agree.
            Heck, most of my gay friends are guilty of this. ALL THE TIME.
            It is appalling.
            Internalized homosexual inferiority is extremely widespread in the community and worth denouncing until people realize that this is what it is. We have centuries of ingrained social prejudice to overcome. It will take a long while.

          • FeydRautha

            Gay-for-pay (paying straight men to subvert their natures) is equally outrageous and worthy of contempt. All coerced sex is.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Sure, and when you establish how he was coerced, other than by receiving payment for the work he agreed to do, you will have a valid point.

          • FeydRautha

            How about being blackballed by a company, refused further work, etc.?

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Are you suggesting this is what happened?

          • FeydRautha

            Just speculating. Preying upon someone uneducated with Arad’s background….

          • Pablo Hernandez

            So you can only hypothesize that he was coerced, and have absolutely no reason to assume that he was.

          • FeydRautha

            Coercion can take many forms.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            I think you should be looking for a word other than coercion. Coercion is persuading someone through force or threats.

          • FeydRautha

            I’m not going by any legal definition. Call it a stylistic choice.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Well, sexual coercion is rape, so I would think you’d want to be accurate with your word choice. Unless you are suggesting Arad was raped by Men? In which case smearing him as a performer is pretty sick, blaming the victim?

          • FeydRautha

            I understand corporations are people now, but are they capable of rape, too? :/

          • JasCo

            If it comes out that he was somehow doing it against his will, then there should be a different conversation. Otherwise, the studio offered the work, he took it, performed it, and got paid for it. He acted, Sylvia acted. Are we going to say that she should have not performed with him because he was gay?

          • Casey Scott

            If she’d done that, she would have been attacked mercilessly as August Ames was. Basically if you’re a woman having anything to do with the gay porn world, the cards are stacked against you. Mr. Pam is a great example of someone treated like absolute shit by “fans” simply for being a woman behind the camera. I’d feel bad for Nica Noelle if she wasn’t a raving lunatic, as Zach has diligently documented here.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Remember, coerion = the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

          • Ulf Raynor

            Your forgot one… the offer of money.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Offering money is not coercion unless there is additionally some sort of negative threat for not accepting the money.

          • Ulf Raynor

            How about the potential fear of withholding other forthcoming jobs if one doesn’t accept the offered one…whether Men did so or not, the potential doubt and fear of losing income because of a refusal most definitely follows under the category of being coercive.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            The porn industry is too large and spread out, there is no monopoly on work. When one studio does not work with a model anymore it is not the end of a career. You move on to the next studio. Happens all the time.

          • TB

            Youre forgetting how excited and eager he said he was about this. He bi. And therefore… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8aca124b105304149cca148cc65357b8113f4cab85ca513adafa356bced6f877.gif

          • JasCo

            Paying someone to decide and choose to try something they would not normally do is not the same as coercion, just because you don’t like it does not mean any performer was forced. There may be the “forced to do it because I needed the money” excuse, but this is not the same as being forced to do it. All of these performers made choices.

          • n24rc

            Coerced sex is refusing to accept no or threatening their livelihoods…I think that’s a problematic statement in the era of metoo. Gay for pay commercializes on the internalized homophobia that some gay men have as well as the porn models own issues. But in a free society I think it’s important to let people identity as they choose.

          • FrenchBug

            “He is having sex with guys but he is really all about women and that’s hot” is straight-worshipping – both ways.
            That you pretend not to understand and chooses not to recognize the context of millenia of straight supremacy and of the myth of “gay choice” says all that needs to be said.
            You enjoy these scenes and/or don’t care. Good for you. Some of us care.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            It’s very easy for me to understand why you can’t comprehend that there could be other angles these types of porn are appreciated from. It doesn’t surprise me that, because you are not a fan, you are only imaginative to come up with ONE possible reason for ALL PEOPLE as to why they might like these types of porn. You are so hung up on what it means TO YOU that everything else you just find offensive. Congrats.

          • FrenchBug

            I am asking in good faith here: Give me one example of an angle this type of porn can be enjoyed that cannot be worked back to what I said this is about.
            I genuinely cannot think of one but I’d be more than happy to hear it

          • Pablo Hernandez

            I’m attracted to men, all sorts, all types, all different types of taboo, and from every angle. I grew up with only straight porn available, so I’m pretty adept at getting off even when there’s a vagina on the screen, it is a non-issue. Straight porn and gay porn are different. They focus on performers differently, from different angles, emphasize different sex acts. I love gay porn and straight porn both, and I have favorite performers on both ends, and it’s a disappointment that I don’t get to watch my favorite straight porn actors fuck in the same positions they would use in gay porn. I love rimming, it’s my favorite part of gay porn, and I enjoy watching a stud use his tongue so much that I can get off to my favorite straight studs giving a rimjob, even though it’s a woman’s ass getting licked, because I’m appreciating the man’s performance. The further you go down the wormhole of appreciating someone’s abilities as a performer, the easier it is to ignore the things you don’t like to appreciate the things you do like. The more you like a performer, the more you appreciate how well-rounded their abilities are, even if it’s a sex act that isn’t especially for you.

            With that established, at this point in my time as a porn consumer, I appreciate every new angle I see every performer from. Trannies aren’t my thing but when Pierce Paris got fisted by one I still busted a load. It excited me to hear that Arad would be performing with a woman, because I wanted to see what else he could do. We’ve seen him do the same things over and over and over again that I was excited for something different. It’s not about “omg he’s pretending to be straight, that’s so fucking hot” as it is appreciating a sex worker who is upping his game and expanding his circle.

          • FrenchBug

            Thanks for sharing your perspective. It doesn’t change my reading of it all but going into it would lead me to psychoanalyze a stranger which would be stupid.
            I respect where you’re coming from. However, I do not believe straight sex is simply another sexual act, like fisting, in a continuum of sexual exploration. It has an entirely different social context.
            We will have to agree to disagree but I appreciate your interesting take on it.

          • Ulf Raynor

            That sounds very much like being gay is a choice… which, despite whatever reasons you concoct, is the real underlying issue and I suspect the underlying problem most have with the scene.

            That said however, I completely agree with Arad, he was hired to do a job by a company that employs him, however, whats suspect to me is the rational the company took for hiring a gay man to fuck a woman, when their gay scenes suffer from lack of true eroticism because they use two str8 performers to do a gay scene… the results, just as they are in this bi scene, are just plain abysmal.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            I can choose to give a consenting woman oral sex, and that is absolutely not the same thing as choosing to be gay, bi, or straight.

          • Ulf Raynor

            But it still lends doubt to the varsity of your claim to being gay and it not being a choice.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Are you suggesting that unless someone is retaining Gold Star Gay status, they aren’t really gay? That’s pretty discriminatory, and I’m confident most people would not agree with you.

          • Ulf Raynor

            How in the world did you come up with that from what I wrote?

          • Knightgee

            Sex acts don’t dictate sexuality, otherwise every man who knew he was gay but begrudgingly had sex with a woman to keep up appearances is actually straight.

            What’s actually apparent here is the gap between how performers view the sex they have and how the customers view it.

          • clark kent

            How could a gay man have sex with a woman or at least attain an erection without the help of ED drugs? I’m waiting. Lol!

          • n24rc

            How could a straight guy in jail, pent up with no outlets, let a gay man service him? Is he straight? IDK. I’d say repeated habits/behaviors define who you are. So if this guy is straight and had one or two experimentation incidents versus dozens like some men on the DL, then he’d be more likely straight.

            I think in a free society we should allow people to self identify as how they want…yes, as a gay man this can be annoying when someone refuses to admit to themselves the obvious, that they prefer male sexual partners(at that point, why not buy the cow?), but the other option is terrible if you really think about when we force categories on people who don’t agree to them.

          • clark kent

            Lol! Sexual orientation is NOT up to SELF-IDENTIFICATION. Your SEXUAL ATTRACTION and BEHAVIOR should be key to that.

            Like this: A male likes a male exclusively, ergo HOMOSEXUAL. A male likes a female exclusively, ergo HETEROSEXUAL. A male likes both, ergo BISEXUAL.

            And NO. Being in prison is NOT a normal set up. Lol! Try again.

          • Ulf Raynor

            Your right, and your preaching to the choir, now go explain that to the host of Christian fundamentalist and anti-gay groups who would point to gay men willingly having sex with women demonstrates their point, that being gay is a choice and they can show visual proof of it.
            They are the majority, with the power of their vote, they pass the laws that “we” are then forced to abide by.

          • JasCo

            You can choose to perform a sex act on someone and not be attracted to them!

          • Ulf Raynor

            My point being, in it’s entirety, is that our community has fought against the notion that being gay is a choice, that for most of us, we were born this way.
            This constant insistence by some in the community that sexuality is fluid.
            lends fuel to those who oppose us and believe we choose to be gay.
            I cant’s speak for you, but my sexuality isn’t and every gay man I personally know say’s the same.
            Trying to shame a gay man for not being fluid is homophobic even if that other person defines themselves as gay.

          • JasCo

            Again my comments were written to back up yours, but in the feed probably appears otherwise.

            However, there are some fluid gay men as there are fluid straight men, which is not choice either, and if they are predominately gay they can call themselves that if they wish.

            I am not fluid and never have, or ever will have sex with a woman. I am not repulsed by them or their body parts, but have no interested in trying sex with them. Some gay men might, and do. That part of their sexuality may be a choice in the same way that straight men or women may experiment in college and never do it again.

            Nobody should be shamed for their sexuality, or exploring the limits of it.

          • JasCo

            Exactly, and some men can get it up and keep it up for hours, even if they are not attracted to their scene partner, which is often why they are chosen to top/be insertive partner. Gay men are not attracted to all of their gay male partners.

          • n24rc

            This convo is obvi.

          • JasCo

            Some straight performers who mostly do gay porn have agreements with their female partners not to have sex with another female on film, so maybe this was part of the reason a gay man was asked to do it?

          • Ulf Raynor

            I never implied otherwise and more than once have said Arad shouldn’t be shamed for excepting a job offer.

          • JasCo

            My comment was not written to refute your argument, rather back it up.

          • MK

            It’s even clearer to me now after reading this, that you’re a damaged straight-worshipping self-loather. You’re beyond repair.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Get a life.

          • MK

            I already have one, you’re a pathetic sad case. Get help!

          • JasCo

            Pablo you seem perfectly well-rounded and accepting of others and variations, unlike some on this page who seem to turn on other gay men too quickly.

          • JasCo

            Dante Colle is one of my favourite performers of late. Granted, he does not identify as “gay”, but he performs in many different genres. He is allowed to. Performers are allowed to try things like BDSM, fisting, and yes, sex with the gender they would not usually have sex with in their private lives.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            The only legitimate point I will concede to anyone upset about this is that it’s fair to say any paying customers thought they knew what they were paying for, and it wasn’t bisexual porn. So if you want to complain that your money was wasted, that you were robbed, want your money back, blah blah blah, sure, I concede. You absolutely did not get what you paid for, and that’s a legitimate complaint. Other than that, get the fuck over it.

          • TB

            Bullshit! It’s NOT just a job and it’s NOT just porn. ALL INVOLVED are sending the same message as the religious right…that being gay is a choice! They think its “just porn” yet strive to be worshipped by as many followers as possible…and then make a video that tells many of these followers that being gay IS a choice and that THEY TOO could easily change if a persecuted gay like Arad can. What a bunch of stupid motherfuckers! Actions have consequences and their “just porn” no doubt has pushed many gay teens/adults further into depression or possibly suicide. THIS is why it matters! Shame on thesefuckers

          • n24rc

            Agreed. In my feeds for the paid content, I do not want SPAMMY straight porn. It’s annoying. If I wanted to see that crap, I’d search for it.

          • JasCo

            A lot of women watch gay porn. Is this gay-worshiping? Is it offensive? Inappropriate? A lot of people may watch this for the curiosity factor alone, which is probably something MEN banked upon. This scene did not appeal to me, you and a lot of others. Some bi scenes have appealed to me because the guys are hot, not because I worship heterosexuality.

          • n24rc

            True. I prefer to see open mindedness in performers and having fun. Not replicating societal aggression towards nonconforming sexuality and gender stereotypes.

            I mean I like it when Wolf Hudson or Pierce Paris get rammed in the ass, so if it’s a chick or dude at the other end in a sandwich I wouldn’t care. 😀

          • MC.EMC2

            “A lot of women watch gay porn.”
            Give us sound proof that this statement is true and not just another fabricated, stupid and lame excuse to promote heteronormative and self-loathing behavior on gay porn. You can’t possibly think that the number of women watching gay porn is relevant compared to the number of gay men. And EVEN IF it were, the target audience of gay porn is gay men, so no gay porn company should change their focus to cater to a different audience….

          • JasCo

            So if the target audience of gay porn is gay men, the target audience of a bi scene, or bi porn would be bi people then?

          • JasCo

            “in my porn”? This is not YOUR porn. This is one scene that a studio has put out for multiple viewers. They know that there will be those that do not like it.
            Worshiping happens, and we all have worshiped someone unattainable. Sexuality is only one reason some are unattainable. For years some women have “worshiped” gay men with their “what a waste” theory. It is not ideal, but it happens. Attraction t
            o something we cannot have is quite regular.

        • Kraterus

          Well said! :)

      • James

        Why are you so knowledgeable in this? Do you get off by watching “gay” men having sex with women?

        • Casey Scott

          I’m an adult film historian of both straight and gay adult films. The two industries overlapped constantly because, say it with me now, SEXUALITY IS FLUID!

          • clark kent

            Or rather, some men are BISEXUAL. The gays are really BIPHOBIC. Tsk, tsk,…

          • MC.EMC2

            Or bisexual men are homophobic? Because I see a handful of bisexual people here trying to tell gay men that they’re being narrow-minded for being gay. How is that different from a str8 bigot?

          • n24rc

            If they identify as Bisexual, I think that is healthier than denying their sexual proclivities for men. As a gay man, I don’t have a problem with people identifying as bisexual. It’s about attitude and entitlement for me. If you treat your audience like lesser people then I have a problem.

          • MC.EMC2

            I don’t have a problem with people who identify as bisexual either. What I do have a problem with though is with bisexual people who claim that fluid sexuality is the norm for everybody just because it is for them and that people who identify as gay are being narrow-minded, mysogynist or what have you like some people on this forum are implying. They’re doing exactly the same thing homophobes do: trying to dictate how sexuality works in general based solely upon personal experience. That is incredibly ignorant and alarmingly homophobic.

          • n24rc

            I don’t think I’ve encountered a “bisexual” who claim EVERYONE Is fluid, just that they are in fact open to both genders. They only speak on THEIR behalf.

          • clark kent

            So calling out people for their HYPOCRISY is now the new definition of homophobic? Congrats on shifting the goal post. Lol!

          • MC.EMC2

            There are always two sides. Favoring your side is just plain ignorant 👍🏽

          • MK

            Get this through you thick DUMB skull, gays and bisexuals aren’t the same. Stop forcing your sexual fluidity crap on us. You guys really sicken my stomach now.

          • TB

            Thanks a lot. I pulled an eye muscle rolling them severely.

          • Casey Scott

            Have fun rolling your eyes. I’ll continue interviewing the men and women who made these films so the history of the adult film and video industry is documented.

          • TB

            You may THINK you are a gay film historian, but as is evident with your posts here, you know NOTHING about the psychology of gay men and why so many are having negative reactions to it.

          • Casey Scott

            I’m most interested in the reactions of bisexual viewers to this scene because that is the intended audience. There has been exactly one review on this comment thread from a bisexual viewer and it was a negative one (of course it was, it’s MEN, there was little chance it would be a good scene). The reactions I’ve seen from gay men here run the gamut from thinking this scene is a form of conversion therapy by a straight-owned conglomerate to believing Arad is lying about his sexuality because he had sex with a woman. These are the kind of bizarre conspiracies and beliefs that I actually expect from Trump supporters, not gay men. The only mildly acceptable response I’ve seen is from subscribers who don’t want their money going towards bisexual scenes, which I can understand and actually rather support. Other than that, I’m seeing no other well-reasoned arguments against this scene existing in the porn universe. Well, except that it’s terrible. And again, this is not a new phenomena. There weren’t these fevered reactions in the days before social media when gay men appeared in bisexual scenes and videos all the time.

          • TB

            Your are exactly as I described you. You have no interest in learning here. And you aren’t a porn historian. As is evident here, you are a dime a dozen porn commentator. #blockedanotherone
            #Ijustcantanymore
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8aca124b105304149cca148cc65357b8113f4cab85ca513adafa356bced6f877.gif

          • TB

            Do think I’m having fun here?! Hardly. Its as bad as dealing with my mind fucked Trump supporting family. You’re no different from them…not wanting to listen to people and not ACTUALLY using your brain to process what others are telling you here. You would think a porn film “historian” would understand a very big part of that history is understanding the reactions of the audience to those films, NOT telling them how they should feel and why they are wrong. SMH

          • MC.EMC2

            ‘Sexuality is fluid’

            Who gave you the right to make assumptions and generalizations about everybody’s sexuality?
            You sound exactly like a str8 bigot who tries to convince himself and others that no sexuality other than his is acceptable.
            This statement is not only incredibly ignorant but also alarmingly homophobic

          • n24rc

            Well, you wouldn’t hear that statement from the straight side. Deny deny deny is their motto…some of the more famous male talent started out in gay porn and left for straight porn, but you won’t hear them admit it’s the same person. There is some stigma left over from the 80’s AIDS panic.

      • Hari Kalyan

        I think a person exploring their sexuality is one thing, and subscribers to a gay porn site voicing their concern/outrage over that site producing content contrary to what they’ve subscribed for is an entirely different thing, and yes, a big deal. In terms of exploring sexuality, I would implore performers to take a page of out Griffin Barrow’s book. He is a gold star gay and just very recently on his private social media solicited for his first MMF sexual experience (no doubt to be filmed for his Only Fans).

        • Casey Scott

          I partially agree with you here, but you’re discounting the number of bisexual men, women, and straight women who are gay porn consumers and subscribers to MEN. Obviously MEN produced this scene for some reason; they have the data of who their subscribers are. It’s 1 scene of out of 30-31 they produce in a monthly subscription, so even from that angle the outrage is ludicrous to me. I’d be more outraged at how many solo scenes Sean Cody or Corbin Fisher uploads a month. Oh right, there are no women in those, so no outrage…

          • TB

            THEN DONT USE A GAY GUY IN IT!!!

          • Hari Kalyan

            I’m not discounting them, i’m just offering a reason why there’s so much backlash and what part of their consumer base it’s coming from. And one scene can be the start to many more. Voicing outrage now lets MEN know to re-think or outright nix any planned bi-sexual strategy

        • TB

          I would say this is more due to sex addiction and mental illness than anything else

      • JasCo

        Also the Chi Chi Lr Rue movie “Shifting Gears” had Blake Riley have sex with a woman when he identified as gay. The world did not end. It was a hot movie, even with the females in it. As a mature person, I just ignored those parts.

        • TB

          Oh yah, you’re so mature. Give me a fucking break with your holier than thou bullshit.

          • JasCo

            What is your point?

        • Diomedes

          I don’t know if you know this, but there was a huge backlash against that scene, and Blake’s career ended as a result.

          • JasCo

            I did not know the full extent, but if that is true, it should never have happened. That was very unfair to Blake and this is the point. At the end of the day, all this argument is about humans who made a choice to do something with no ill-intent, for money, giggles, experimentation, whatever. People are throwing disgust at the female performer, nasty labels and judgement at the gay male performer, for what should be not much more than a porn scene: work for performers, entertainment for some, but not all, viewers. Gay men are insulting other gay men for their perhaps more open or liberal views, and being hateful to women as well, intended or not. This should not be happening. Consenting adults can fuck who they want, call themselves what they want, and show what they want, as long as there is no ill intent in their actions. I do not believe anyone in this scene acted offensively, and they should be left alone to do their thing.

          • Casey Scott

            So, no, Blake Riley’s career didn’t end as a result of that scene. He did a number of videos for a full two years after SHIFTING GEARS. But the backlash was equally as ludicrous as it is here. In both situations, the performances of gay men were in bisexual videos, for a bisexual audience. It didn’t make them straight. It was them, again, having sex with a woman because they wanted to. No one forced them to, they weren’t converted into raving heterosexuals, they didn’t send a message that being gay is a choice, it didn’t “go against their nature”. They were asked, they wanted to, they moved on to gayer pastures after the shoot was done. End of story.

      • Diomedes

        it was about the gay performers exploring the spectrum of their sexuality

        If they had to get paid for it, then it was actually about the money, fatso.

      • Aunnez Stfleur

        Most of those men had had prior sexual intercourse with women and those who didn’t expressed interest in wanting to. Doesn’t sound very gay to me

    • Pablo Hernandez

      Please provide the unknown details of how Arad was MADE to perform in this scene, rather than choosing to.

      • FrenchBug

        On that point, I actually agree with you. It was his choice.

        • James

          It is his choice, which is why we should also hold him accountable

          • FrenchBug

            Which we should do by, if you are a fan of his, unfollowing him, unsubscribing from his content and stop purchasing his scenes and movies. NOT by hurling personal insults at him or harassing/bullying him.

          • James

            Also voice your concerns to companies that hire him to endorse their products, like Andrew Christian. I have zero interest in Andrew Christian now unless Arad is no longer a model for them

          • FrenchBug

            To be fair, I never had any interest in AC and “promoting a (accused) rapist” should have been the tipping point already but I agree with the underlying point you’re making.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            Yeah, the accused serial rapist wasn’t the deal breaker for you?

          • James

            Who said that wasn’t a deal breaker for me? I do not see any blogs like this blog defend them and discredit their criticism as illegitimate like they defend Arad though

          • Pablo Hernandez

            You said you’d restore your support of AC if they drop Arad.

          • FeydRautha

            Who’s more in the wrong: someone who buys AC underwear or someone who models for them?

            (Also, according to Estelle, Arad counts DiMaggio as one of his friends.)

          • n24rc

            When he was active with them, they were culpable in covering up his behaviors – so for the people ignorant to this aren’t at fault since the company actively lied about it.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            This doesn’t pass. He frequents gay porn blogs and it was covered extensively.

          • JasCo

            So one scene that people do not like deems such severe action? Wow! This is a form of entertainment.

          • JasCo

            Accountable for doing a job and earning money?

            Don’t like it? Don’t watch it! Or pay his bills so he does not have to offend your fragile idea of what sexuality is and what another person should do with their body.

          • FrenchBug

            He can pay his bills whichever way he wants. And I can spend my money whichever way I want.
            He can do whatever he wants with his body and I can do whatever I want (aka be aroused by people whose choices I respect vs attractive people who I don’t approve of) with mine.
            Seems like a fair deal to me. You are actually agreeing with me but forgetting that it works both ways.

          • JasCo

            You are welcome to spend your money on, and view what you like, and not be ridiculed or abused for it, just as someone can do what they like with their body and not deserve the backlash aimed at them as it is in this thread.

    • Kraterus

      VERY good points. BRAVO!!!

    • TB

      If Arad hadn’t been so forthcoming in his persecuted backstory, the blowback would be there, but not as bad. What also made it bvad for him is his eagerness and excitement about the scene for his fans AND himself. Hey Arad…You even gay bro?

  • some charge

    Why would we believe this liar? He can’t do a job of bottoming but he will fuck a woman? Lies.

  • KP

    There are much bigger problems with gay porn these days why get caught up in this trifle. All the performers look the same (bearded ladies on steroids) all the videos for each studio has the same lame formula. Even in solos the models can’t keep their eyes open. No wonder the camera man focuses on feet or an inanimate object.

  • lovehairyguys1

    How come the scene with Connor Maguire and Jordan Boss not have blacklash, when Connor was fucking a girl in the beginning of their scene?

    • some charge

      I think the lack of backlash to that scene is what made them think they could get away with this one. But they went one step further and toyed with gay conversion therapy and it was their mistake. Also Connor is openly bi so him fucking a woman is nothing new or outrageous though it still doesn’t belong on a gay site.

      • Ulf Raynor

        I might add, it was equally abysmal to this one.

    • Hari Kalyan

      That’s exactly what I said in the other post. Like this isn’t MEN’s first bisexual rodeo

    • doodlebug

      That scene got some minor backlash, but nothing compared to this. I remember the director MacNamara getting all pissey and saying if you don’t like it don’t watch it etc. But that scene wasn’t really a bi scene in the sense that the three actors weren’t in any action together.

      By the way, does anyone know who directed this? Someone in the comments in the first post said it was MacNamara, but it didn’t seem to have his usual polish. Just curious.

  • YourDad

    I saw people legitimately accusing Silvia of murder on Twitter. This is some sick mob mentality going on here, and I don’t like it one bit. I bet that half the people jumping on the hate train don’t even care either way but some people just like to add fuel to the fire. If you don’t like it, then tell the MEN to stop with the bisexual scenes just like they did with those female actors in the scenes. Let’s bring back civility.

    • FrenchBug

      Attacking the female performer is even stupider than attacking the male performers.
      Online mobs are gross, even when I agree with their starting point.

      • MK

        Did you read how condescending she was with her tweets to others? She was attacked because some of her tweets were rude and disrespectful. Plus, pathetic Logan Monroe was like a pipeline fueling gas to her tank.

  • Votan

    I’ve often thought there might be an unexploited gap in the market when it comes to straight for pay. The attacks on Arad are completely unjustified.

  • nodoubtfan

    Arad couldn’t have just sat there and ate his food, huh? Just had to chime in and say something. Just get your scene rate and go.

  • MPG

    I’ve never tweeted at a performer and I dislike mob mentality online, but the whole premise of this mini interview is sort of ridiculous. If you start from a point where you feel that criticism of the performers in this case was off base then why bother with the interview? To confirm what you already believe to be true.

    People seemed to be in their feelings with him partly because he made his story (fleeing Iran, etc) a selling point. Those who believed the story felt the premise of this scene was contradictory. As long as no one is threatening his life or being racist/sexist, etc. what’s the issue with criticizing him?

    If you’re going to interview him ask him if he understands why some people were upset. Ask him about gay for pay and the backlash from the community, etc. This just seemed like an opportunity to sound superior to others who dared question Arad’s decision to film this scene.

    • MK

      Thank you!

    • CamCam

      And that was my biggest issue with this interview. The person interviewing Arad came into it with his own bias and wasn’t trying to be objective AT ALL and it not only made Arad look bad but it makes Str8UpGayPorn look bad too because now it looks like they won’t be objective with any story they do and it looks like they will kiss these performers asses even if the majority of us don’t like their work. Like i said in my post yesterday, it’s very dangerous

    • Hari Kalyan

      Yes!!! Journalism 101…But i wonder if this isn’t an interview as it was a quick “questionnaire” he responded to in an email or twitter DM, perhaps. Either way he didnt really help himself with his responses.

  • Burkeman

    Three issues
    -Firstly, with there being so many alleged bisexuals and heterosexuals at Men, strange they went with him.
    -Secondly, doing it for money as if anyone could reeks of conversion therapy or the nonsense that sexuality is a choice (Straight-for-pay/gay-for-pay.)
    -Thirdly, Arad saying it is just about doing a job and does not care about with whom suggests he fails to appreciate what kind of emotional investment gays have with gay porn: many are lonely, vulnerable, and oppressed, with gay porn being one of the only positive sources of homosexuality they have.
    It is straights, generally, who have the luxury of watching porn just for arousal.

    This scene and this interview have damaged the fantasy.

    • FeydRautha

      Precisely. If he thought this was gonna win people back, he’s sorely mistaken. I expect attacks on him to increase. Couldn’t he have asked a PR flunkie from MEN or Andrew Christian to craft him a statement?

      • FrenchBug

        Hahahaha. I seriously doubt Men or AC are the best people to think of a socially-conscious self-aware statement that shows understanding of gay sexuality.
        It would have been better if he had shut up and let the storm pass, since he obviously has no consciousness of those issues himself.

        But you’re right. As I said in my other statement, this weirdly makes it WORSE than if he had simply been bisexual.

    • Hari Kalyan

      I like the third point you mentioned, and I think its worth stating again that gay porn (for all the good and bad that comes with it) is a legitimate gay media outlet and prominent source for homosexual representation in the gay community. So while yes, I hear the cries of “he’s just a paid model doing his job”, gay porn scene also carry with them a bit more weight with respect to homosexual representation. I mean, is it too much of a reach to compare his casting as a “bisexual top” in this scene to the outrage over Scarlett Johansson and her casting faux pas of late? True, Arad is a sex worker as Scarlett is an actress, but as you state above, with the litany of str8/bi performers MEN loves to employ its strange they chose a gay performer to fill this role.

      • TB

        A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!!!

      • Pablo Hernandez

        I don’t think it’s a fair comparison, because it’s not the bisexual men complaining about Arad, it’s the gay men. Fair attempt to latch onto a social issue, but not a good parallel. Unless the bisexual men who are upset that Men didn’t cast a bisexual male model would like to speak up?

        • Ulf Raynor

          Why would they, I’ve never seen a bi male complain about being perceived as heterosexual but are quick to point out they are bisexual when called gay.

          • Pablo Hernandez

            I’m not suggesting that they have a reason to, just pointing out that the comparison doesn’t hold up.

    • James

      Also conversion therapists nowadays absolutely use porn as a way to cure homosexuality. Straight men are not vulnerable for these therapies, therefore “gay-for-pay”, though a stupid premise, does far less, almost zero, damages than “straight-for-pay”. Poor gay kids in third world countries only have gay porn as a resource to turn to for their sexuality, and the porn that portrays that gay men can turn straight will have a very bad effect for them. I suggest people check their western privilege before thinking that this thing is not a big deal.

      • FeydRautha

        “…conversion therapists nowadays absolutely use porn as a way to cure homosexuality.”

        Yes, they call it aversion therapy. They force you to take an emetic while you you watch gay porn. Remember that FratX article from the other day that attempted to distract from this debacle?

        • Diomedes

          Can you expand on that?

      • n24rc

        Behaviorism studies have shown conversion therapies don’t work and often are somewhat an exercise in torture and humiliation. So the APA doesn’t endorse unethical treatments. NO practicing doctor would ever use it, and would lose their professional credentials and licenses if caught.

        It’s usually some homophobic armchair psychologist, or christian freeper, that decides to take on the role of an actual psychologist, from the 1950’s. 😀

    • Knightgee

      This post could do with some self-awareness, like here:

      “many are lonely, vulnerable, and oppressed, with gay porn being one of the only positive sources of homosexuality they have. ”

      What exactly is positive about much of the gay porn that’s produced, exactly? I like to get off as much as the next person, but if there really is some generation of gay men resorting to porn for displays of positive sexuality, they’re screwed. We routinely are inundated with scenes worshipping straight guys, promoting psuedo-incest, entire studios whose m.o. is “these guys look underage but totes aren’t”, and this doesn’t even get into the racism of only being able to find a man of color in any of these scenes if they’re an incredibly light-skinned latino, a token asian bottom, or explicitly fetishized as big black dicks to be fucked and nothing more. Of all the things we could actually call out these studios for promoting in their porn, “maybe bisexuals exist” is the thing people are gonna throw a fit over? Priorities…

      • FeydRautha

        …”maybe bisexuals exist” is the thing people are gonna throw a fit over?
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/464da03e5c94a551c94754a8e81f14344cad412e1c38cdb1619e136bb4337fd0.gif

      • Burkeman

        I stand by my original point, but I agree with nearly everything in your final paragraph. I do not, however, agree with the accusation that I denied bisexuals existed. The point is Arad is not a bisexual;he claims to be gay, therefore it does not promote bisexuality, it promotes the theory that anyone can be bought, sexuality is fluid, and gays will just have to take it.

        And, yes, many gays do seek emotional solace in gay porn. I do not have to rank priorities; it is all reprehensible.

        • n24rc

          Well, porn is about using sex as a commodity – the “johns”, so to speak, are the viewers and the studios are the pimps.

          It’s his body, his choice. IN a free society we should let people live their lives as they see fit.

    • harley quinn

      bruh it’s just porn you are not gonna marry them lol i think any adult regardless of sexual orientation can figure that

  • CamCam

    This entire interview rubbed me the wrong way.

    The vibe of this interview was negative from the start. It was like whoever did this story was talking down to all of us just because there were people here who weren’t feeling what Arad chose to do. If you’re a fan of any of these performers, why can’t anyone express their disappointment or anger towards them and what they do? Forums like this is where that can be expressed, whether you or I agree with it or not. And contrary to a belief, these porn stars are fair game for criticism and ridicule just as they are for being praised. In this day & age of OnlyFans, ConnectPal & JustForUs, they are putting their own content online so they open themselves up for being ripped up if one chooses to do so & that includes if they make films for a studio too. It’s not about right or wrong, it’s about the facts and Arad got what Arad got for making a film like this, no more and no less

    And as for the actual interview, Arad is free to make any film he wants but he better be ready for his fans to come at him with whatever they . I don’t like Gay4Pay or even Straight4Pay but he has a right to do what he wants but he just better get ready. I don’t think this interview made things any better from all that’s happened but i could be wrong. I’m more concerned with whether Men will still make films like this after seeing the huge backlash on this site, on Twitter or anywhere else online. I don’t want to see more bi films on gay sites and i hope that other companies look at this as an example of what’s can happen if they mess with their audience. Time will tell.

    • FrenchBug

      That second point is the crux of why I am not angry at him personally.
      He made the choice to make this scene, which he was entitled to do, knowing full well (and if he didn’t, that’s on him just the same) that, in the economy of today’s porn business, he was risking his own popularity, which is his own currency.
      I strongly denounce personal abuse of any kind. But I wouldn’t be surprised and would not feel bad whatsoever if, indeed, his “fans” choose to keep their coin and redirect it to others. THAT’s the proper reaction.

      • TB

        I dont think for a second tbat he thought that far ahead about it. He thinks everyone adores him and anything he dies, they will love. The way he was on his Instagram stories post about being excited to do it and for his fans to see it is proof of this.

    • MPG

      Exactly what I said below. Love Zach, but no need to talk down to us.

      • Zachary Sire

        This article identifies the kinds of personal attacks and absurd harassment that Arad was facing on social media (and in some comments left here), so unless you were engaged in those personal attacks and harassment, this article is obviously not directed at you, and no one is talking down to you.

        • MC.EMC2

          Then why didn’t you address the burning issues raised by the readers here with him? I’m sorry Zach I usually agree with a lot of the things you say, but this time it feels you were just trying to help him do some damage control….

        • MK

          Your articles indeed gives a tone of you talking down to us. It was even more forcefully in your first article. It’s like you’re saying gay men shouldn’t be upset about a self identifing gay man having sex with a woman on a GAY porn site. You used the defense of G4P in this article as if all gay men agree with it. Many gay men are equally repulsed at G4P. I strongly believe that it’s mostly bisexuals, sexual fluid, self-loathers and G4P enablers are the ones that pushes for this repulsive fantasy of converting a straight man.

    • Kraterus

      Beautifully put. THANK YOU!

      • CamCam

        You’re very welcome!

  • Xzamilloh

    This is why we shouldn’t be trying to make celebrities and role models out of porn stars who only do porn present themselves as nothing more.

    Arad doesn’t seem like a bad person, and he did get a lot of shit, but my opinion? He’s a mediocre top, and that ain’t changing over here.

    • FrenchBug

      The explication of his mediocre performances is right here in this interview: if his sex work is so mechanical that he can even do it with a woman despite being gay, well, no wonder there is never any passion or hint of interest and desire in his performances.

      And this is why porn stars should not give interviews or have social media. The less we know, the hotter they can stay. Let the sex do the talking.

      • Xzamilloh

        He was hot for all of two seconds, but he needs to bottom… or let someone play with his ass. Butt stuff.

        • FrenchBug

          Gay guy has issues with people touching his butt but is OK with fucking a woman.
          No internalized homophobia and twisted notions of masculinity here, sir. Nope. Not at all. None.

          • Ulf Raynor

            Not being sarcastic, but what part of him being a top isn’t clear?
            He’s not bottoming for the woman.

          • TB

            Oh FFS!

    • MPG

      Agreed on all points. He started out with a lot of potential but things never progressed.

      He got the quick cash for this scene but he’ll lose out with some fans in the long run. Doesn’t seem like a bad person at all but the handling of this shows a lack of sophistication. He doubled down when he should have either kept quiet or cried poverty. People will understand having to pay bills if framed properly.

  • MPG

    One of the reasons I come back to this blog in addition to Zach is the commentators. Given how eloquent folks are here it hurts my feelings (figuratively) that the critiques of Arad have been oversimplified and made to sound hysterical. Folks were asking legitimate questions about the porn industry and its performers.

    • FrenchBug

      You generally can recognize when people realize they don’t have the high ground and/or the winning argument when they pick the most extreme/stupid/absurd version of the criticism to respond to.
      If plenty of people give you constructive, respectful criticism and rational arguments and you pick, of all people, the offensive trolls to engage, it is a tell.

      I noticed that recently with the members of the NYT political bureau. They don’t respond to the gazillion of legitimate critiques of their framing of the Trump administration but somehow they retweet that one troll that goes personal and tsk tsk tsk.

      • Tony161956

        Uhmm. How do you know there are so many “legitimate critiques of their framing of the Trump administration”. There could be none as far s you know. Dirty Don frames his hateful & corrupt administration all on his own. All you have to do is turn on the camera and watch his dementia

        • G. Lo

          There are plenty of legitimate critiques of their framing of the Trump administration. The NYT Opinion section is almost universally terrible, full of pandering and tutting by alt-lite reactionaries.

        • FrenchBug

          You clearly have no idea of what the debate about the NYTimes is about because you seem to be under the impression that the critique is that they are too tough on him.
          No. The critique is that they are normalizing him in ways that are both perverse for the future and overly indulgent towards him.

    • Zachary Sire

      Obviously, reasonable critiques from commenters are fine, and many of the comments left here were fine. Hysterical comments (some were left here, but most were made directly to Arad on Twitter) and deranged personal attacks (“Arad is straight! MEN used conversion therapy on him!”) is part of what prompted my reaching out to him.

      • James

        How is “MEN used conversion therapy on him” a personal attack? Also you aware of the fact that real life conversion therapists do use porn as a way to cure homosexuality?

  • Kevin Jones

    This interview confirms what I suspected. He’s just a guy doing his job and making money.

    However, the fact that people are attacking him on social media is just wrong. If you don’t like the scene, that’s fine but don’t go after the performers who are simply doing their job.

  • B.C.

    I had no doubt about Arad’s sexuality. He never tried to hide behind ambiguous labels, and of course this “job” was not going to make him bi/straight all of a sudden. Just wish he acknowledged this was a foolish, thoughtless business choice. One he would dare not to repeat. If indeed Arad is, as he claims, focused on his future. And I hope bottoming debut is a part of that future.

  • Jonas

    As I mentioned a few days ago Arad Winwin is a brand and he himself says it when says: ”It’s marketing, it’s business.”
    Now, what bothers me the most about all this is that even with all the chaos that the scene caused, he still wants to appear in another bisexual scene ..
    He is not interested in the fans he is interested in money and I think that is the worst thing that can exist because there is no direct connection with what comes out of his mouth to what we see on the screens and with what the fans want it is to see men having sex AMONG MEN

    • Pablo Hernandez

      He is not the first gay performer to start performing with women. Why is Arad’s situation so especially egregious?

      • Jonas

        because mi querido Pablito Hernandez..
        Arad told a story full of lies saying that he lived in Iran with fear, that he was imprisoned etc etc etc and now he appears mercilessly fucking a vagina. I think that is the outrage with this scene Arad’s and Men DOUBLE MORAL

        • Pablo Hernandez

          You obviously didn’t watch the scene, because there was nothing merciless about it. Lol.

          • Jonas

            I KNOW BABY I WAS JUST… YOU KNOW hablando como loco 😉

      • Ulf Raynor

        Absolutely agree with you on this…Adam Russo, Marcus Ruhl, Mike Demarko, Brian Bonds and whole host of others who have all done str8 scenes at least Arad had the benefit of having another guy in the scene with him.

        • TB

          And the most egregious of them all with his bullshit persecution backstory.

        • Cosmic

          To be fair Adam Russo will fuck anything…and probably has.

      • TB

        They’re ALL egregious! This is just the most recent and the most despicable with his “story” of personal persecution.

        • Pablo Hernandez

          So you are personally offended by all gay men who have sought out a sexual experience with a woman. Got it. Only Gold Star Gays are good people in your book.

          • Casey Scott

            That’s a recurring theme I’m seeing here. If any gay man has fucked a vagina, he’s tarnished, disgusting, a fake gay, is homophobic, and is sending a message that gays can be cured by conversion therapy fucking…?!

            Does this also include trans men? Because I’ve seen the same kind of backlash against trans men with vaginas in gay porn scenes that I’ve seen over this Arad bisexual scene. The common thread there is the presence is a vagina. Soooo it’s not misogyny?

  • Estelle

    He tagged alleged serial rapist and fellow underwhelming performer Topher DiMaggio as his best friend that should tell you a lot about his character and integrity…..

    • Jonas

      and you’re surprised?.. gurrrl! XD

    • Ricky

      This sums up my thoughts so well.
      The first time I saw Arad he initially was exciting to watch, but wow did he fade fast as I watched his routine performances and learned about his charmless, off-camera personality.

  • Ulf Raynor

    Not all gay men like to bottom, there are a lot of gay men who don’t.
    You can’t see how it would at least be easier for him to fuck a woman as a self identifying top than it would be for him to get fucked, really, seriously?

    • FieldMedic

      I don’t really care what people like when it comes to doing their job. Most people don’t like their job but they do it anyway and fake like they do for that check every couple of weeks. That’s what’s called being a grown-up. So please drop this thinking about not liking it — it’s their job and if they can’t do their job then they should be fired.

      • Ulf Raynor

        Thanx for proving my point.

        • FieldMedic

          You should really try and understand your own point. Your point was “Not all gay men like to bottom” .. to which I responded that I don’t care what he likes to do. This new point that he did the job that he was hired to do was never in contention.

    • Casey Scott

      That’s my thought process, too. If he doesn’t bottom on real life, I don’t think any amount of money in the world would convince him to go through the entire preparation process and having to deal with getting plowed for hours.

  • Estelle

    Well to be fair, the transgender community has been accusing Matt bomer, mark ruffalo, rose McGowan, Scarlett Johansson, Kimberly pierce of being the reason that trans people are attacked or murdered because they took took parts in or directed movies about trans people all because they weren’t trans and I didn’t see much pushback from the gay community about it especially when Jen Richards (who looks like an index finger) went after them.

  • Cosmic

    Stories like this are why I only watch amateur porn now, at least with that I can be pretty sure I’m watching gay porn with actual gay guys in it.

  • Scrapple

    Didn’t Justin Brody come out pretty much unscathed after his Naked Sword scene with Viktor Belmont? Unless I’m remembering that wrong. If that is what happened, is it because Justin identifies as something other than gay? Is it because he was already inching his way out of the industry? Or is it because he was partnered with a trans man? You would think the outrage would be proportional considering both scenes involved a vagina being fucked in a gay porn scene. Now that I think about it, Tober Brandt and whomever else did that Titan scene with Buck Angel years back didn’t suffer too much blowback. Granted, that was long before social media, but I still don’t recall those models or Buck being dragged on blogs. Meanwhile we saw what happened with Arpad. It feels like people are either wanting to be more reserved with their anger when trans men are involved, because of their connection to the community. But once you add boobs into the equation (which would include trans women) that need to self-moderate your feelings and comments goes out the window. It’s strange.

    • Kraterus

      Many people consider trans men as full men, and yes, others fear the backlash if they reject them because, as you have said, transgendered people are part of the community.

      Personally, I don’t like those scenes either and find them a lot less than appealing, but there isn’t the element of forced acceptance and the notion that bisexuality and desire for females ought to be normalized among gay men, just because some closet bisexuals who have appropriated the “gay” label and creepy women who are desperate to feel more desirable than anybody else in this world by “turning” a gay man straight, have suddenly decided that it’s our obligation to like this.

      I think that the difference is quite clear.

      • Scrapple

        But there are “creepy” gay men who get off on “turning” straight men, so addressing that part of the issue seems silly to me. It just seems like trans men are more accepted, even in terms of gay porn, because we see them as being like us. But trans women we can’t identify with because of their womanhood. There’s also the whole subtext where people believe that trans men who fuck men are okay because they’re portraying a homosexual attraction, but trans women who fuck men are portraying heterosexual attraction, and they really only wanted to become women because of self hate related to internalized homophobia.

        • Kraterus

          The pathetic gay men who want to “turn” straight men gay should be derided for the same reasons that I have stated in my previous comment. It’s disrespectful, predatory and unhealthy. If you have emotional problems and a low self-esteem, go to therapy – don’t try to perversely manipulate, guilt or exploit someone so that you can feel special. That is repugnant independently of whether it’s done by gay men, heterosexual women or potatoes.

          I don’t think that anyone believes that trans women are extreme homophobes who hate themselves and that’s why they undergo gender reassignment therapy, because we have enough knowledge to be aware of the fact that trans women are well, women who were born in the wrong body. That is like saying that trans men are misogynistic women who become men because they hate women… Really? It makes no sense.

          Many people don’t like porn with trans women for a myriad of reasons, but gay men don’t like it because we don’t like women – plain and simple. Trans men have vaginas, but they are still men and while I don’t find them appealing at all in a porn context, some are attracted to their masculinity independently of their genital organs.

          There’s bigotry everywhere, but to be honest I don’t see the arguments you propose as being the norm (regarding trans men and women – we all know that there are lots of gay men with severe self-esteem issues and a weird fetish for straight men).

          • Scrapple

            I can only go by the things I have seen and experienced. And what I have seen and experienced is a tendency of attitudes being more accepting and sympathetic towards trans men over trans women. And I brought up the porn occurrences which seemed to reflect that. Yes, there were people who scoffed at the Viktor Belmont interview, and people who make harsh comments on updates for sites like Jockpussy. But it always seems as if the bigger and harsher slams come when models fuck trans women. Max Diesel/Christian still catches grief for his trans scenes. Same for Dante Colle, Pierce Paris, John Magnum and countless others. I strongly believe that if those same models were fucking trans men on screen, they would catch far less heat. And I believe that for several reasons. But if that hasn’t been your experience, then that hasn’t been your experience.

          • Kraterus

            Maybe you’re right. However, people do get criticized for different reasons and by different people. Max Diesel/Christian was ostracized by straight actresses (who are in their right to refuse to work with him), and had his name and personal details divulged by a straight man. Straight porn fans are the ones attacking him – gay men could barely do so, since he hasn’t done any gay porn in over a decade.

            As for Dante Colle, he gets flack because he is an arrogant prick who deliberately riles up people just for the sake of getting attention and creating drama. Pierce Paris and John Magnum have always stated that they are straight and will do almost anything or which they are paid, so I’m surprised that people would attack them – we know what we’re getting and they’ve never hidden who they are and what they like.

            As for the debate between trans men/women, I have never noticed anyone attacking one more than the other, except maybe the usual arseholes who like to create discord just for the sake of it. Sorry, I cannot comment on that.

          • Mr. Copper

            “As for Dante Colle, he gets flack because he is an arrogant prick who
            deliberately riles up people just for the sake of getting attention and
            creating drama.”

            I think you’re confusing Dante Colle and Clark Parker.

          • Kraterus

            Both of them are twats. Clark Parker is much worse (in fact, he is downright insufferable most of the time), but Dante is also an idiot.

          • Mr. Copper

            I’ve never personally witnessed any twattery from Dante but perhaps I haven’t been paying enough attention.

    • wdeee

      Well Viktor is a guy so it’s gay porn

      • Pablo Hernandez

        He’s a trans man, and it’s trans porn.

      • Ulf Raynor

        Well, not to quibble, but I’m a gay man and I don’t have a vagina or a uterus.

        • FieldMedic

          The organs don’t really matter. To classify it as gay porn it needs to be two men who are having sex with each other. It can also be classified as Gay Trans porn, but in the Venn Diagram of Straight/Gay porn it would go on the Gay porn side.

      • Scrapple

        But you know there are people who will discount that because he has a vagina.

  • onyx081

    Some of you are so fucking dramatic with your tin foil hat conspiracy claims about conversion therapy and all this other irrelevant ass psychological bullshit. It’s a fucking porn scene. This is not life or death. Either beat your dick to it or don’t and move on. You all sound fucking crazy

    • ezwriter1

      Finally, a voice of sanity.

  • onyx081

    Some of you are so fucking dramatic with your tin foil hat conspiracy claims about conversion therapy and all this other irrelevant ass psychological bullshit. It’s a fucking porn scene. Either beat your dick to it or don’t and move on. This is not life or death. You all sound fucking crazy

    • jimboivyo

      Speaking of being overly dramatic!

      • onyx081

        There are people on here giving entire dissertations about how they’re so upset about a porn scene, but I’m the dramatic one? Okay, girl

    • Jonas

      you too sound a little crazy gurl

      • onyx081

        Clearly you haven’t read any of the other comments on here if you think mine is the crazy one, but okay. Get your life gurl

  • vanfanusa

    This is one of the most batshit insane comment threads I’ve ever read! If these thoughts and comments are representative of gay life and culture then I am extremely out of touch!

  • Baradude

    Here what I don’t get, WHY SHOULD A GAY PORN STUDIO TRY AND CATER TO A AUDIENCE BESIDES GAY MEN (I get it money) STRAIGHT STUDIOS LIKE BRAZZERS ARENT LETTING US GAYS IN THEIR SPACE SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO SNEAK A TITTY OR 2 IN OUR MOVIES. With all the porn studios out there I’m sure there are plenty of bisexual ones that people can thumb through. Let this be a lesson to MEN pay attention to the audience you got: https//uploads.disquscdn.com/images/074b39690a8ba695cd15bcd12f642df05a242403f27109d04067525671f27e6c.gif

    • CamCam

      I wonder the same thing. You never hear of straight studios putting in gay male videos on their sites and they wouldn’t because the viewers would have a fit and rightfully so because they aren’t looking to get a scene like that from that studio. We should not be that open to allowing this kind of film in our porn either. Boundaries are needed BADLY right now.

  • Felipe

    Women on gay porn, so unnecessary!!
    Sincerely, women invading gay spaces is so annoying.

    • Casey Scott

      This isn’t a gay porn scene, it’s a bisexual porn scene.

      • MC.EMC2

        He meant MEN is a gay site

      • Felipe

        U understand what I said…..

  • Alex

    I am sorry guys but this is porn. We are taking this far too seriously! Respect each other and get over it.

    • MK

      People pay there money for porn, so they have a right to have an opinion, be offended and outraged at a product they dislike, that they don’t want their money paying for.

      • Alex

        Yes people can stop subscribing. Actions speak louder than words. And I am not too much into this cyber bullying bs. People hiding behind their posts and being “outraged”. Be “outraged” about more important things please.

        • MC.EMC2

          Don’t you think it’s a bit selfish of you to dictate how much importance people should give to this issue? Let each person be the judge of that….

          • Alex

            Come on. Who are we to judge? Seriously dude…

  • Knightgee

    Given how reticent he is to bottom, why would anyone want to see his poor attempt at it? I mean, unless you get off on watching people have sex they don’t like, which…

    • FieldMedic

      Pornstars have to constantly have sex with people that they’re not attracted to, nor would ever have sex with in their personal lives. They get through it and do it because part of their job description is the ability to act like they’re into what they’re doing. That’s all that the fans are asking for, nothing more, nothing less. Just act like you enjoy it, he clearly did to have sex with a woman.

    • Casey Scott

      Precisely!! I imagine many gay porn fans consider bottoming “the final frontier”, sort of definitive proof that a performer is gay, or that they’re the consummate performer maybe? But look at how poor he is at everything else. Why would he be any good at bottoming? LOL

  • MC.EMC2

    What a shallow interview, like a lot of the comments here.

    “It’s just porn” “He’s just doing his job”. Fucking Donald Trump is also just doing his job and that’s not a reasonable excuse to shield him from any criticism.

    Arad’s job is a GAY PORN ACTOR. He gets paid with money that WE invest in GAY COMPANIES. So, his job is to please us, his customers. If this scene received extremely low ratings and massive negative feedback, it means he’s not doing a good job and, like in ANY OTHER profession, he can and should be criticized for that.

    • MK

      Thanks for saying exactly what I’m thinking.

    • CamCam

      Well said!! I agree with you 100%.

    • Casey Scott

      My biggest point of agreement: he’s not doing a good job. Agreed 1000%

  • C A

    Ok. He’l Have sex with a woman for the sake of doing his job, but he won’t bottom.

    So, so sad.

  • peter

    Look, Corbin Fisher has just released another straight scene with Beauner, which I’m guessing is due to their current short-supply of models. I’m hoping against hope that he too is ‘taking it for the team’, since he seems to like sex with bros an awful lot!

    • Jace

      At least Beau gets fucked. If this is just all a job for Arad, getting fucked would certainly be part of the job description of being a gay porn star. Arad isn’t even a particularly good top, either.

    • Burkeman

      Beau claims to be bisexual. Heretofore, that claim has not been refuted.

    • Daniel Adam Hayes

      I really don’t understand CF with their straight porn. Is that suppose to make me like the model more, cause it’s kinda has the opposite affect.

  • The interview was worse… A gay man been paid to fuck women and he thinks it normal…

  • He accept to have sex with a woman for money but not bottoming for money… He is fake!

  • Svenne

    I love you, Arad! Please fuck me. :3

  • 高磊
  • TB

    What an idiot. He doesn’t even know how to do damage control. At least lie like you did to immigration. Bitch, you can’t separate this from yourself with this “just a job” bullshit! YOU’RE BISEXUAL!

  • TB
    • Kraterus

      Good one! 😀

  • Presley Hi

    No issue with him doing whatever porn, but that video was like a bunch of 10-second clips quilted together to make a bigger clip. So boring.

  • JasCo

    OMG, heaven forbid there are straight-for-pay performers in porn!

    Get a fucking grip people.

    IT IS A JOB. Just like he said. He turned up, performed obviously convincingly, got his pay check. BOOM!

  • Mr. Copper

    The two most valid critiques I’ve seen of this whole debacle are:
    1 – It’s really rich of Arad to claim this was just business and a professional decision when he won’t bottom in any of his scenes. If he’s willing to do something he has no personal interest in doing (have sex with a woman), then why isn’t he willing to bottom, even if it’s something he has no personal interest in doing?
    2 – The day we witness a straight site like Brazzers throw m/m/f bi scenes on their main page without any repercussions from consumers is the day that a gay site can post bi scenes without similar repercussions. The expectation of complacency on behalf of gay consumers belies a very heteronormative double standard.

    • Casey Scott

      I think the answer to #1 is pretty simple, actually. It’s easier for some guys to pound a hole (man or woman) for a shoot that lasts for hours than it is for them to have their hole pounded for a shoot that lasts for hours. I imagine it isn’t worth the money for him to do all the clean-out, preparation, and self-care that most bottoms have to engage in for bottoming scenes. It could also be a cultural thing, as mentioned in earlier comments. But I understand why the question needs to be asked.

  • czer

    If it’s “just a job” and he’s only fucking a woman for the money, then he should not have any issues with bottoming for the money. As we know bottoms are paid more in gay porn than the tops. It’s “just a job” after all.

  • OverKill

    Where’s Beverly Sutphin when you need her? Gay men don’t touch vagina.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/92617d9fbf3b86fffe6bc148f466c2674b95a81ff5edc5a0f3e1141b181aeee0.gif

  • TB

    Something I just discovered that just pissed me off. Zach asks him if he would consider doing a straight scene, after already saying he would do ANYTHING for “work” and Arad said he doesn’t think he could because he’s a gay man. DUDE, YOU JUST HAD STRAIGHT SEX! YOU JUST FUCKED A WOMAN! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HAVING BI SEX, SO YOU ALREADY DID IT…AS A “GAY” MAN. SMFH

    • Casey Scott

      Shockingly, we agree here!!!!! I don’t understand this, either… SMFH indeed.

  • Trepakprince

    Some of these comments are ridiculous! These guys are pornstars not marvel characters. I’ve never looked to these guys for moral guidance.

  • Igor Värok

    Everybody know that Arad is completely homossexual.This is the first his scene that his using Viagra. The MEN wrong in your choice for the scene.But I think that attack Arad for it is very unnecesery. I’ll waiting one bottoming scene for his.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/60407b592c37253910faed0bc5a7e4033510b43ccc278b819ecb36ae589d99fb.gif

  • John

    Gay men who only date gay men are often very ignorant about bisexuals. They also think the majority of bisexual men are hiding the fact that they are really gay. I am still doing erotic massage after 30 years and the majority of the thousands of clients I’ve seen have been bi. In Muslim countries where he lived and in the Deep South from decades ago, many men who are mostly gay, like me, get involved with women to fit in. His statement makes perfect sense. Total. I think lots of gays are misogynistic. Here is another stat from my work. Not only are most of my clients bisexual but most never have sex with men till they are over 40. I think they get tired of women being so different from us.

    • Kraterus

      Good points. Gay men who only date gay men are not interested in bisexuals because we ARE very different, and our communities only have certain things in common. I am also not surprised about the fact that most of clients have been bisexual, as it is safe to assume that they are a significant part of the population (most human beings gravitate toward the middle in most aspects of existence, and few lie in the extremes – I don’t see why it shouldn’t be the same with sexuality). Still, this doesn’t justify what we are discussing here and it doesn’t negate the fact that it is us, gay people, who have created a social, political and cultural movement that has opened many doors, challenged many prejudices and afforded freedoms to everyone – a movement that bisexual men have never promoted or defended, but are happy to ride on our coattails.

      Still, presenting horrible situations in which men are forced to do things that go against their nature because otherwise, they might face harassment and violence at best, and death at worst, as an example of normalcy among gay men, is downright disingenuous – these are not normal cultures and there isn’t anything healthy, positive or ordinary about what you are presenting. It certainly doesn’t lend any weight to your arguments.

      As for bisexual men only being interested in other men after 40, that is a peculiarity of certain closeted men who, for whichever reason, do not act upon their desires after a certain age (maybe after they have consolidated their social and financial position and their children are almost grown up?). I don’t doubt that among men who hire erotic masseurs and escorts are the norm among any community, closeted middle-aged men are a significant segment of the market, but that doesn’t prove anything. Also, saying that they get tired of women is weird… Why would they become tired of women at all? Speaking of misogyny…

      • MK

        Bisexuals love to ride on our cocktail indeed. Most will never give up their heterosexual privilege to fight with us. It’s when many of them are becoming middle age, after prostituting their bodies with women they start seeking out younger men to have sex with. Many times making demands and enforcing their so-called standards.

        • Kraterus

          Well, I wouldn’t say that they prostitute their bodies with women (they do LIKE women, after all – this is natural for them), but you’re right in the fact that it is very unfair for them to not do anything for a community to which they claim they belong, and then come in when it suits them to unload their baggage on us and make ridiculous demands, as if we owed them something.

          So yes, I mostly agree with you…

          • MK

            I meant after they’ve finished prostituting themselves with women, they come looking for a perfect man and setting high standards. This is also true for some gay men too.

  • Rodney

    I have to say that the willingness to be hateful in the gay community is disgusting. You guys are behaving like an angry mob of gay Bible thumpers. This comment section is the saddest display of privilege I’ve ever seen. The heights to which people are reaching with this scene is insane. You guys are really pretending that anyone uses gay porn as a safe haven or some kind of example on how gay men should be. If you don’t like the scene don’t watch it. If you must complain, do it to the studio, not the performers. Bunch of psychos.

    • Daniel Adam Hayes

      But why not? So fans are not allowed to question porn actors or criticizes them?

      • Kraterus

        Can’t you see what he means? Gay men are only allowed to criticize right wingers and religious fanatics. Everybody else should be accepted with open arms for no other reason that not using words such as “perversion” and “fags”, because not openly insulting us turns them into allies by default… Never mind that they have an agenda that is detrimental to the gay movement and they view homosexuality as something abnormal and a fetish to be indulged in; it also doesn’t matter than they want to normalize things that go against our nature and impose their points of view, interests and objectives. We have been oppressed, so we should welcome them because they are somehow more oppressed than the members of an already established community… Even though most of them fit perfectly among straights and have never faced any real struggles in their lives.

        The words “privileged”, “insanity”, “misogyny”, “prejudice” and “you’re like Nazis/Bible thumpers/ neo-cons” have all been used to try to make us feel guilty and inadequate, and accept things subserviently. In short, it’s best to ignore these posters.

        Oh, and he has the cheek to call us psychos for merely criticizing something, but probably doesn’t mind the fact that the “open-minded” people who are outraged at the gay community’s intolerance, are the same people who furiously harassed August Ames because she said that she didn’t want to work with them (bisexual men). At least we haven’t driven anyone to suicide. Also, all these people kept silent while straight porn producers and fans attacked them and threatened to kill them, but become all indignant and loud when it comes to insulting the gay community.

        And these are the “gay” men who are enlightened and great… Yeah, sure.

      • Rodney

        If you were a fan, you wouldn’t speak about this man the way that you did.

        • Daniel Adam Hayes

          Why? Cause I’m suppose to worship him? If I don’t like something I’m gonna say it…

  • Daniel Adam Hayes

    So he doesn’t give a shit about fans criticism and would even do another bi and maybe even straight scene.
    He says an awful lot about how “it’s just a job”, then bottom already – it’s just a job, right? It was clearly a terrible career move and he can’t even admit it.
    Also, does his claims about how it’s just a job and that he would basically do anything for the right price suppose to make me buy his scenes. I know that porn is a fantasy, but at least make an effort to make it realistic. No wonder he is a boring performer, with an attitude like that.
    And, the part when he said he wouldn’t do a straight scene, just had me laughing. That bi scene was basically straight and gay scenes in one. So why not do a straight scene? “Cause I’m gay”, well that didn’t stop him from fucking a woman in a bi scene. So what’s the difference?

  • CamCam

    Forget casting, why did this scene have to exist in the first place? What’s the point of having a bi scene on a gay porn site that is not catered to the no market? A scene like this was not for a site like MEN IMO.

    • James Johnson III

      Str8 companies do it even though their main market isn’t bisexual people (look at Devils Film and Evil Angel for example). Heck, both of those companies also do MTF Trans porn and I know that doesn’t cater to their main/target consumer base but it allows the companies to broaden their appeal and, hopefully, get more viewers/subscribers to their site. I get why MEN did this…I just don’t see how they thought a scene this bad would bring in Bisexual viewers

      • CamCam

        I don’t follow Str8 porn but from what i hear in this thread alone, those sites you mention don’t even put those bisexual and trans porn sections not areas where they can be found easily in the site. MEN may want to broaden their appeal but by doing so, they would be alienating the fan base they have already. Just because straight porn may do stuff like this doesn’t mean gay porn needs to do the same.

  • n24rc

    Fair is fair, since this is a straight porn company marketing “gay” content, then maybe they should get some of their “straight’ side male talent to show up in their films fucking guys. It’s only the right thing to do! 😀

  • Christian

    Apparently, it’s now misogynistic to not want a female in gay porn. Then we wonder why the deplorables are winning.

    • Casey Scott

      The scene in question here is a bisexual porn scene, not a gay porn scene.

    • Maximus

      I’ve heard it called “troll feminism.”

  • Bill Beumel

    Sooo … Let us know who got hurt by the bi scene to complete your valid comparison.

    • MC.EMC2

      Just read the comments…. A lot of people were hurt by this scene (emotionally, not physically, obviously – but I hope you’re smart enough to understand that being emotionally or physically hurt still means being hurt anyway)

      • ezwriter1

        Anybody who claims to be hurt because some guy they never met fucked a woman on camera for money is either a) full of shit or b) so emotionally fragile/crazy that they should be in a facility getting 24/7 mental help instead of watching porn online.

        • MC.EMC2

          Yes, these people are emotionally fragile because they live in a world that is always repressing and oppressing their sexuality and lifestyle. These people are oppressed by their families, their friends, their colleagues, and so on and for some of these people gay porn is a safe outlet where they can forget all this heteronormative crap they go through on a daily basis and it hurts to see a world that should be safe for these people suffer from the same homo-shaming behavior. If you can’t understand or develop any sympathy towards these people maybe you should consider leaving the gay community altogether because the last thing we need is to deal with a selfish, heartless, arrogant prick like you within our own community

          • ezwriter1

            Oh, don’t worry, I would never associate with such a weak-minded, thin-skinned perpetual victim such as yourself, or anybody else claiming to be traumatized by the sight of a man fucking a woman, so you’re safe. You may resume your fetal position and continue sobbing now.

          • MC.EMC2

            You’re a fucking moron…. At least your posts get no upvotes and mine get plenty, which luckily means you represent the vast minority here. God knows what an even more horrible world this would be if there were more people like you around… The only sobbing that needs to be done here is to know that people like you still exist

          • ezwriter1

            Seek mental help now, you desperately need it.

          • MC.EMC2

            Continue being igonred here…. No one cares about you or your comments anyway….

    • FrenchBug

      Worth pointing out that if the criteria is “Why do you care since you weren’t really hurt by it?”, then why do you care what we say about this scene since you aren’t really hurt by our comments? I mean, you care enough to comment on our reaction so…
      We are all on a porn blog giving thoughts on porn. For better or for worse. You included.

      That smug “You divas need to get over it” the defenders of this mess keep giving us in this thread is hilarious since you are literally spending as much time defending this as we do criticizing it. You are not somehow above all this; you just disagree with us.

  • spartan546

    Oh, for Christ’s sake! The guy was hired to perform in a porn video. He did his job. He owes the public NOTHING! If you don’t like bisexual porn, then don’t watch it! But to condemn a performer for doing a scene that you feel denies his sexuality is insane! Actors get paid all the time to ACT in roles that are not necessarily their own personal beliefs. And for once you have an porn actor openly admitting he’s gay and NOT hiding behind the Gay-4-Pay or bisexual label and he’s getting shit over it! STFU you whiny twats!

    • Ninja0980

      I’m tired of seeing bisexual porn on sites that are supposed to be for GAY men.

  • Ninja0980

    So anyone who doesn’t want to see naked women in their gay porn is a sexist asshole now?

    • Casey Scott

      This is a bisexual porn scene, not a gay porn scene.

      • Hari Kalyan

        Right that’s precisely the argument no matter how you label it: Men engaging in sex with women on a gay porn site.

  • TweetyBerd

    A couple of notes for the comments section:

    1) You can be gay and still not grossed out by vaginas. I’ve been gay all my life, never have had sex with a woman and have no desire to, I’ve never been grossed out by a vagina. I have no interest in sports but I don’t retch in horror when I see a football. Anyone claiming to be repulsed by vaginas is either incredibly immature or a potential victim of trauma.

    2) If your sexual orientation is centered explicitly on the desire to see men fuck eachother, then it is perfectly reasonable to be displeased by the fact that someone who is not a man, is in on the action. The reasoning behind the displeasure can be the determining factor as to whether or not misogyny is invovled. But being a gay guy upset by the fact that an up till now gay porn company created a film where a woman is a major component of the sexual activities is not misogyny.

    3) That being said, hurling verbal abuse at women, calling their bodies and body parts “disgusting” is most defintely misogyny. Vaginas are nothing new and are simply a part of human anatomy. Grow the fuck up.

    4) Just because a gay man is capable of having sex with a woman, that does not mean that they are not gay or that they’re secretly bisexual. If straight men can invade the gay porn industry by pretending to like the sex they’re having, I can’t be mad at gay men for doing the same thing. It’s not my business how sex workers get their coins. I don’t own them or their bodies, neither do y’all.

    5) I do actually think it’s incredibly shameful though, for a gay porn company to ask a gay performer to have sex with a woman, while they have an entire roster of bi and straight men who are capable of doing the job. It frustrates me because gay sex and gay men are already considered a joke, the idea that our sexuality can be bought is insulting and reeks of het-worship.

    • Casey Scott

      I agree with so much of this! Thank you!

  • Hari Kalyan

    Not saying that gay porn provides pivotal first exposure to gay themed content, but gay porn does hold a more lofty position in the gay community as a legit source of gay male representation than, say, straight porn in the hetero world.

    • n24rc

      But at that point, does it REALLY matter if Porn’s majority audience is gay men? The point of media representation is to humanize minorities/other outside groups to the masses. Offering exposure to those who wouldn’t have a reference of a gay person nor interacted with one. Gay porn may show sex acts, but that isn’t going to humanize and challenge stereotypes.

      Additionally, Porn not as ubiquitous as mainstream TV. Even if the internet has changed this paradigm somewhat, consciousness about gay representation is focused on demonstrating humanity and normalizing the perceived other for general masses; porn cannot do this, since it’s primary focus is for people to get off and has a specific base of viewers.

      • Hari Kalyan

        To answer your initial question: Yes, representation apparently does matter which is reason why Arad’s doing a bisexual scene has caused a commotion.

        • n24rc

          I disagree, porn is downstream in media; easily discarded and forgettable in an attention economy.

          • Hari Kalyan

            Be that as it may, and call it what you will. I’ve never seen so much reaction like this from a porn scene. Arad’s casting has definitely struck a chord with a lot of people, whether it be representation of a gay men being “converted” or the fact that he’d seemingly rather top a woman before being a bottom.

          • n24rc

            Arad has openly said he had sex with women before realizing he was gay for him it was another day on set – and I assume people took it to heart. You seem to have. I think porn is a fantasy and isn’t reliable on what constitutes the norm of sexual behaviors.

            Frankly, it may give insight into peoples underlying issues like with self-loathing, but as a media format, porn cannot convince people to be straight or gay on the basis of what people do in shoots.

            In its very nature, the consumer is actively seeking out the fantasy before watching the video – so, ergo, people who are straight watch straight porn, people who watch gay porn are typically gay, people are into BDSM watch it’s porn and so on…so the idea that someone who is ALREADY identifying as GAY beforehand turning straight or using the scene as a barometer of how they should live their life is absolutely ridiculous on its premise alone.

        • n24rc

          So don’t people have a choice in the matter, like Arad and the consumer? Shouldn’t Arad have a choice in partners and what scenes to shoot, and if the consumer doesn’t like it, he doesn’t have to buy the product or video? Thus, everyone gets what they want out of this scenario?

          It seems like bullying or harassment to antagonize some performers choices about what they want to do with their bodies. Like any Porn protester deciding that they want to campaign against it, you don’t have to watch the films or support its economy, and shaming people in the film industry or the consumer will ultimately fail on deaf ears because they have no qualms about it.

          I’d prefer a freer society where people can ultimately do what they want with their personal life, regardless of who disagrees.

    • n24rc

      In your opinion, you would ignore gay literature which has existed for over 100 years and art itself outside of porn.

      • Hari Kalyan

        Not at all.

  • JJ

    I call BS on this interview. No one forced Arad to do the scene, he did it because he wanted to do it. He’s been liking pics of women models and sometimes of boobs on Instagram for months. It’s no surprise to me if he’s bi. His story of coming here to the US to escape them wanting him to be straight is shot and how he handled it on Twitter was ridiculous. This studio is also owned by straight homophobic company. No wonder they did this scene. Do more and they’ll just loose more subscribers. I wonder what Men’s previous owners think of this mess?

    • Ricky

      Really! Oh the things one learns about the “like” section of a person’s profile lol. In most cases it makes me like the guy more (Edgar Ramirez on Instagram, Armie Hammer on Twitter) but that makes his explanations seem even more cynical and disingenuous.

      I dislike Arad even more now.

      • JJ

        Same. How long you been a Men subscriber?

  • marcuz86

    Straight4pay!

  • Maximus

    I’m not sure that it’s fair to make Arad a target of our outrage. We should be moving beyond the era of respectability politics; no single individual gay person should have to act as a representative and standard bearer for all gay people. We also don’t know what Arad’s financial situation is or whether he has any other viable options for making a living.

    Our ire should be directed at MindGeek. It is so disgusting to bribe an openly gay man to have sex with a woman considering the long history of queers being forced to live as straight people out of fear of being ostracized or being subjected to violence. It feels like a power move for the company to cast a gay man for this scene when they regularly work with plenty of straight- and bisexual-identified male models.

    Regarding the fluidity of sexuality, it is true that sexual attraction, behavior, and identity can fluctuate. However, this typically occurs earlier in the lifespan, from the onset of puberty through emerging adulthood. This is the stage of life when people are engaged in personal growth, self-discovery, and solidification of their self-concepts.

    The title “sexually fluid” is a bit of a misnomer. People who identify as such are often describing what is actually a stable pattern of bisexual attraction. They’re not vacillating between experiencing only heterosexual attraction and experiencing only homosexual attraction; they’re vacillating between having opposite-sex and same-sex partners because they experience at least some attraction to both sexes.

    Even people who identify as gay or straight often are not 100% homosexual or 100% heterosexual. Some self-identified gay men who live gay lives are capable of performing sexually with the right woman. Some self-identified straight men are the same in regard to sex with men. I see certain commenters arguing that being gay means experiencing only homosexual attraction and having a gold star. If that’s how they conceptualize being gay, then that’s their prerogative, but they should be aware that others do not share that view.

    That said, there are gays, such as myself, who are completely and exclusively homosexual in behavior and attraction. We don’t appreciate suggestions that we are capable of being anything else, hence some of the negativity that this scene inspires. Did MindGeek set out to disprove the existance of exclusive homosexuality by making this scene with Arad? Probably not. Still, it was a gross move, and they deserve to lose subscribers as a result.

  • Jason H

    Ja ja ja he isnt gay…he is bi or gayperpay…Never gay…

  • Julio Grandeur

    People will go on an on about G4P actors and insist that they shouldn’t be in this industry because they are obviously straight. So having sex with dudes doesn’t make you gay? But having sex with a woman on camera makes you straight?

  • James Johnson III

    Okay, I hadn’t heard this when I wrote that but that actually makes me excited. He really sounds hot when he growls, grunts, and takes control…no matter the gender of his partners. He is one of the few people who I will watch and cum to no matter if he’s with a man or a woman. I’ll totally watch that as long as they take the shackles off and let Cliff just pound

  • FitRN

    Gay people are so fake, self righteous, racist and stupid. I could go on and on but it wouldn’t matter.

  • Lane S.

    While, I doubt these words are ever going to stumble upon Arad, he clearly needs to understand something.

    If gay porn to you is just a job then you probably should consider finding elsewhere. Porn in the gay community is not what Straight porn is for heterosexuals. We don’t just watch it, get off, and move onto something else. You are a representative of our community and are a role model whom we all look up too. Is it kind of odd and sordid?, yes in a way, but its the truth. Gay porn stars are treated like celebrities because of how you represent us. Your exposure gives you power to make change and to fight for our community. Now if you’re straight, gay, bi, pan, etc. then say so, we love our Gay for Pay performers because while we understand they are straight, and yes some have a problem with it, they respect us and understand their role in our community. Like celebrities such as: Cher, Kylie Minogue, Gaga, Katy, Ellen, and many many more, most if not all got their start in our community and have become representatives for us, even if most of them are straight. The problem that we have is not about you being Straight, Bi, or Gay, its that you never bothered to say anything and how you told us your story, which we are wondering weather or not was true or not. We feel lied to and trust me when I tell you, we DON’T like being made to look like gullible fools.

    You told us how you endured so much hardship and your daring escape and fight to come to the U.S. and escape from Iran because of the horrible things you had to endure. As of right now, you stand on your platform and are a beacon of hope for Gay men in your home country, you are a pillar of strength, power, and passion for those men and women who have little if not no hope of escaping. They look at you and think to themselves, “There is hope and we can get out of here, one day it will happen”. Did you plan on being that person, probably not but you are. By sharing your story you became “THAT GUY” the Iranian Superman.

    Now your personal choices are your own and while I respect that (and everyone should) we hold you accountable for your actions. I’ve heard the horror stories of how gay men are “forced” to have sex with women to prove they are straight in order to keep themselves ALIVE. Things I can only assume you were forced to deal with. Now you come here and do the EXACT same thing that you were fighting so hard to escape? You say to us it was just a job and it was only for the money, that doesn’t make it better for us, it makes it worse because by having sex with a woman, FOR MONEY, you proved what many people believe and what our community has fought so hard to disapprove, that sexuality is fluid and anyone can be attracted to a member of the opposite sex.

    While, many others have a very colorful way of say why they are angry at you, I am approaching this with as much logic as I can think while trying to keep my personal feelings out of this. If you want to go have sex with a woman, man, transvestite, drag queen, purple elephant, THAT IS ENTIRELY YOUR CHOICE!!! However, don’t stand here and make a big speech about being gay and escaping your homophobic country and come to ours and dismantle, however unintentionally, hundreds of years of progress that so many sacrificed their lives in trying to change.

    Ladies, Gents, and (with respect) other genders, I have said my piece and have no intention of arguing about it.

  • emercycrite

    Gross.

  • Wickbaby

    This is dumb. If you don’t want to watch a bisexual sex scene…DON’T WATCH IT!

  • Jidecleison Josué

    the problem with the Arad scene is that he’s gay, and no gay man gets his penis erected with a woman even for money.He was right to say he was bisexual from the start!This was a betrayal to the whole gay community!The film has passed a theory that every gay can be bought, sexuality is fluid and any gay can have sex with a woman.this is a full plate for proponents of sexual reversal therapy.

  • Jidecleison Josué

    it was far better to say he is bisexual. because no gay man raises the stick for a woman. and he still has the guts to say he’s gay and only made with woman for money

  • Jidecleison Josué

    Fake. I hate you

  • Cosmic

    Is he as dead eyed and mechanical in his gay scenes as he looks in this one?

  • Andrea Spiga

    I’m pretty interested about one thing: does he know the Kinsey scale?