Tegan Zayne Says Wesley Woods Is A “Hypocrite” Who Is “Making A Name Off Of Drama” For Criticizing Colby Keller

Posted April 7, 2018 by with 201 comments

tz2Last summer, gay porn star Tegan Zayne made headlines when he spoke out against people for criticizing his co-star Colby Keller and Keller’s now infamous vote for Donald Trump, and today, he’s doing it all over again. After filming with Keller for Falcon Studios last July—right after Keller had angered fans and peers by comparing Hillary Clinton to Trump—Zayne took to Twitter (as seen above and below) to mock and marginalize those fans and peers by labeling them “brainwashed,” and looking to “make a scapegoat” out of Keller:

tz1One of the most outspoken critics of Colby Keller and his vote for Trump was gay porn star Wesley Woods, who wrote an open letter in September of last year, calling out Keller for his vote, his “white male privilege,” and more. An excerpt of Woods’ letter, ICYMI:

I understand why [Keller] did it- he is a white man who can blend REAL QUICK with his surroundings- he (and I) have NOTHING TO LOSE. What a disgrace to others who do not live a life where that opportunity exists. He OPENLY and PROUDLY voted AGAINST anyone who feels marginalized. Colby, you and I will never fully understand how it feels to live a life of oppression.

It’s been seven months since the letter and nine months since Zayne originally took to Twitter to defend Keller, but Zayne is apparently still bothered, as he’s taken to Twitter yet again today with a bizarre rant aimed at Wesley Woods. Zayne launched his unprovoked tirade by responding to Chi Chi LaRue, who was simply promoting an upcoming gig with her and Woods:

chichi1 chichi2Irony aside (Tegan Zayne, accusing someone else of trying to “make a name off of drama,” and “tearing people down who haven’t done anything wrong“?), it’s not clear how Wesley Woods was being a “hypocrite” for being critical of Colby Keller, or how he was “masquerading” as anything by merely sharing his own political opinions, which were in response to someone else who had shared their own controversial political opinions. Reality check: Strongly disagreeing with people, calling them out, and explaining why you think they’re wrong is not “tearing people down who haven’t done anything wrong.” It’s called voicing your opinion, just like the other person voiced their opinion.

Debate and disagreement are concepts generally taught and understood in elementary school, but in this Trumpian era, facts and opinions shared in those disagreements are now being labeled as “bandwagoning hate” (whatever that even means) by people like Tegan Zayne:

tegans2Tegan Zayne continued his nonsensical rant by accusing Wesley Woods of “shamelessly enjoying his white privilege”:

tegan1In his letter to Keller, Woods repeatedly called out white privilege and identified the negative effects it has, but according to Tegan Zayne—who, again, is bothered by Wesley Woods for calling out Colby Keller’s white privilege—calling out white privilege is actually a form of white privilege, in and of itself? LOL.

Wesley Woods, take it away:

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  • dabc8177

    Arabs are white…

    • J R

      Thats what I thought too? I mean there is definitely a prejudice surrounding the arab ethnicity but I don’t think they generally qualify as a separate racial group. But who knows, race is a complicated social construct and I’m probably not qualified to discuss this issue anyways.

      • Todd B

        What planet are you guys living on!? OF COURSE there is prejudice against arabs. You guys think because their skin color is close to Caucasians that they don’t have discrimination? Do you live under a rock?

        That being said, it was very strange to bring that up himself. He definitely has self esteem issues.

        • J R

          I’m sorry if it sounded like I was saying there wasn’t any inherent prejudice against arabs, because there definitely is, and it’s definitely a real problem. What I was disagreeing with is the idea that arabs are a separate race.

      • Omnirosa

        I wouldn’t say all Arabs are white but Tegan definitely is one of the white ones. Hell, I’m pretty sure him being white plays a huge role in his defensiveness over Colby Keller.

    • HorrorGeek

      Arab does not refer to a particular race. You can be white, black, etc and still be consider Arab.

    • Devin

      Um, there’s African Arab’s, too. Just like there’s Afro-Latino (Amara LeNegra). It’s good to educate yourself about these things. I actually just learned about Afro-Arabs.

  • pangelboy

    I’m sure grown-ass Colby Keller is capable of defending himself (and his vote) without Tegan jumping in to protect his honor. Did Keller ever respond to Wesley Woods’ letter? Either way, it’s sad to see Tegan lose it all.the.way. I wonder what’s behind that, cause gurl…

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  • FrenchBug

    I guess someone recently learned he was on someone else’s “no-list”.

  • B.C.

    Just another unnecessary, self-serving twitter drama on a year old topic.

  • Ceecee

    Here comes Tegan, the hero we need to decry criticism and lecture against lecturing.

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    • FieldMedic

      +1 for using the Grand Duchess of Drama. 😀

    • Joey

      This gif tho. *steals*

  • Todd B

    Zayne has HUGE issues. It is a lot of the reason why I questioned his account of the Topher claims. This just shows his lack of good judgement and character. And he called it the “liberal media” last year? That’s code for he voted for Trump too I have no doubt.

    • Devin

      His account of what happened with Topher seemed sincere and it has nothing to do with this case.

      • Todd B

        You can’t separate the 2 when ALL of this us just hearsay. Without proof, you have to go by the character of a person and how they act at all times. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but for you to just believe him because he “seemed sincere” is ridiculous.

        • Devin

          Not only did it seem sincere it was consistent and compelling. It may not be a text book rape case, but Tegan was violated and Topher should be held accountable.

  • pje821

    Tegan doesn’t appear to be the brightest bulb on the tree. He seems to enjoy making a name for himself with his commentary, which is fine, but then he can’t be surprised when people react strongly to it. If I were him I’d let it go.

  • Atticus

    I quite like watching Tegan in his films, but he is a mess. The other day, he took issue with a tweet from Attitude about his appearance in Natti Vogel’s video for “Brown Rice,” because it said “opposite porn star,” misinterpreting “opposite” as an adjective, instead of a preposition.

    • pangelboy

      I thought you were going to say he took umbrage at being labeled a “porn star,” which I mean is ridiculous, but okay.

      What the hell did Tegan think an “opposite” porn star even was?

      • Atticus

        I have no idea, but he seemed to have interpreted it as shade. He promptly deleted the tweet when he realized his mistake.

  • Omnirosa

    Tegan is a fool. He’s a white man who only brings out his Arab descent when he’s losing an argument defending a trashy ass white man that most definitely doesn’t give a fuck about Arabs.

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    • B.C.

      Oh, yes! I was hoping to find an article about Carter’s come-back because it is a HUUUGE porn news, but instead same old same old shite about Keller and American politics.
      Back to Carter – I was positively surprised with his acting abilities AND his topping. When Dane was pumping into Levi, his back sweaty, those beautiful, signature curves moving. It was heavenly. Of course, that doesn’t mean he should stop bottoming. Au contraire, his body was made for it.

  • Jeff Bosco

    Who?

  • harley quinn

    i was gonna attack tegan but then again this might be caused for his post-rape trauma experience so i’mma let it pass

  • harley quinn

    lmao his pathethic ass really thinks colby gives a fuck about minorities
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  • Scrapple

    Oh look, the model of color who never has anything to say about the experiences of models of color in gay porn is now pulling a “Jake Bass” and drawing attention to his marginalized status so he can accuse another model of profiting from White Privilege.
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    Colby must have that good dick, because Tegan stays on it. How are you this mad about the issues people have with Colby, but you’re not enraged about your alleged rapist still getting work? You need to pick and prioritize your battles.

  • whodunit?

    Lol new fan of Wesley Woods.

  • Marik Ishtar

    Tegan, if Wesley and Colby were able to articulate their views, then why can’t you? Battering moot points, then feigning defense when no one even brought you into the conversation doesn’t do anything to further anyone’s thinking. In the words of Millie Bobbie Brown “I don’t see how this is a productive contribution right now.”

    On a more serious note, after Lucian Piane and now Javier Munoz we need to take better care of our brothers and sisters who may be experiencing bouts of mental unhealth. Tegan I can’t make the call that you are among them but if you are maintaining feelings you cannot explain or having emotions you cannot restrain, please log off the internet and seek sanctum help.
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    • KingBeaArthur

      What happened to Javier?

  • gaycuckhubby

    All this mess aside, Wesley is a lot more tolerable online now that he’s no longer dating the good Dr.

    • sxg

      Lol what?

      • gaycuckhubby

        For a while Wesley was dating a doctor has a podcast with Amber Rose. During that time his Twitter account who was tedious and exhausting. Now that they’re broken up he’s become a lot more fun and friendly online again

        • sxg

          Oh found his dr ex bf. Damn he’s hot! I wonder if Wesley got almost every gay guy in the breakup because the dr hardly follows any other gay guys on his IG acct.

        • Scrapple

          I’m sure you know the doctor used to have a relationship/sex therapy show a while back on Logo or MTV or something. Isn’t he pansexual too? That could’ve made it easy for Wesley to fall into a pattern of feeling like he had “climb every mountain” as it were, because his boyfriend had that mentality.

          • gaycuckhubby

            He was very preachy during that time

  • Xzamilloh

    The Vixen brought up a valid point on last Drag Race’s Untucked calling out the blatant double standard of race when it comes to how black queens are perceived when they clap back on the cute little white twinks that start shit. People will say Vixen brought up a race angle unprovoked, but all she did was cut right to the chase and consciously address the subconscious stereotype of the angry black person that happens on here. You saw it with Season 7 with Pearl being held to a different standard than Jasmine and Kenney (and even Ginger Minj), and with the retconning of Season 2 with Tyra and Raven… who were both complete bitches but Tyra got and still gets more shit for it than Raven whose past shitty behavior is completely ignored.

    Anyway, this Colby/Tegan/Wesley crap is boring drama, and Drag Race has better social commentary than an unstable but hot nut and Ryan Gosling’s pretentious gay brother.

    • Scrapple

      While I do agree with the message The Vixen was trying to get across, at the same time I’m thinking “But you’re part of the problem.” As a Black man, when you come onto a reality show talking about “I like to fight” and then you’re causing drama for the sake of causing drama, how are you advancing the cause and altering preconceived notions? You can call people on their bullshit without being angry. You can address something you think is bullshit without getting angry. The Vixen hasn’t learned that lesson. Neither has Tegan. It’s all about the presentation. And the confrontation.

      • Hari Kalyan

        I agree. Tone and presentation is everything. The Vixen’s reasoning that “I told you I was bitch from the beginning” excuses none of her antics.You’re rude, sweety. There are plenty of civil level headed black queens. Sometimes its not a race thing. Sometimes it’s just you.

        • Scrapple

          Life is hard enough. You’re doing yourself a disservice when you choose to live it expecting (and in some cases looking for) battles. And responding to conflict with “You already know how I am so I’m going to keep responding at this heightened level” doesn’t foster growth. There’s a healthy and happy medium between having the “All my life I had to fight!” mentality of Miss Sofia and the dejected, oppressed and silent voice of Miss Celie. And that healthy and happy medium is Shug Avery.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82fa88d503d34aa6155e24728f2ec835a12b1a4b3b9597f6c816b5f0cb80e057.gif

          • Xzamilloh

            Bitch, I wish I could give you a hundred upvotes for that beautiful analogy using The Color Purple

          • Scrapple

            Excluding the whole “Yeah, she was sleeping with at least one married man and she was a rude bitch to Celie in the beginning” thing, she really was the best of both worlds. Even after everything bad that happened to her, she still had that joy. And she was still ready to cut a bitch to fight for what she knew she deserved, paying no attention to the men and women in her life who were trying to hold her down and diminish her light. Shug also helped the other ladies find their voices, and gave them the encouragement and strength to go after what they wanted. And she did it all while looking utterly flawless.

        • sam my

          Complete BS. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with tone. As someone that is black, and a black man, I’ll always been seen as threat no matter how a approach a situation. At my last job, before I quit, I sat in the lobby, not saying a word to anyone, visibly upset, waiting for my ride to show and when upset I like to either walk(it was 10 degrees) or just be to myself to calm down. Several of the former employees approached me, I right off the back told them CALMLY to just leave me alone right now, I’m not doing anything but sitting here and remaining to myself. They told me no, they I’m going to do as they tell me, I remained calm and seated, reply, no Im not, so again, just leave me alone, you see Im upset, dont you? So leave me alone. They replied “Im not going to let you talk to me this way” Oh, you mean the exact same way that youre talking to me? So once again, told them to leave me alone, they refuse and continued to try and FORCE to me listen to them, so I walked out. After they cleared the lobby, I walked back in, and once again, sat down, not saying a thing, not bothering anyone, they came right back, telling me what I am and am not going to do, I continued very calmly to tell them to leave me alone, they continued, only then did I get louder, still sitting telling them to leave me alone and why is it such a hard concept to grasp, to just leave me alone. They told me if I dont listen to them, they’re going to call the police, I told them, please do, since youre the one harassing me, they then went to get a male employee who was over 6ft tall to try and intimidate me. So no it doesn’t matter what tone you use, at the end of the day, I was still looked at as the ANGRY AGGRESSIVE VOLATILE BLACK MAN. Not once did I threaten anyone, curse, become violent or anything to warrant the police or be treated like that.

          • Hari Kalyan

            Obviously there’s more backstory leading up to your account above. Regardless, tone doesn’t only mean the volume of one’s voice. It’s also in one’s attitude, inflection and word choice. In the Vixen’s case ,she’s worried about being portrayed as an angry black queen stereotype but that’s exactly how she’s acting. You can’t seek to undermine a stereotype by playing right into it.

          • sam my

            And I gave it in response to scrapple. I know by requesting a backstory you mean you want to find the fault as mine and excuse them.

            She has every right to be angry and on the defense, especially when someone is attacking her. No one is calling that aspect out, just that The Vixen made poor little Aquarius cry, who cares that Aquarius was the one that not once, but twice came for The Vixen and her drag asethics, but how dare the Vixen be upset. How the Vixen acted is no different than Kennedy or Bob when their drag was attacked by a white queen, because it wasn’t their taste, yet both Bob and Kennedy were ridiculed instead of Milk and Derrick.

          • Hari Kalyan

            I never requested the backstory. You provided several open-ended/vague details from which I could not draw a concrete conclusion. Nor did i begrudge The Vixen her right to be angry. I only took issue with her being the wrong person to play the “why am I labeled the angry black queen” card when she is in fact living up to that stereotype. If I’m going to have someone testify before Congress that bank regulation is too tight and stifling commerce in this country, I’m not picking anyone who was the CEO of any of the major banks in 2008 as the spokesperson.

          • pangelboy

            >In the Vixen’s case ,she’s worried about being portrayed as an angry
            black queen stereotype but that’s exactly how she’s acting. You can’t
            seek to undermine a stereotype by playing right into it.

            This is prejudicial as hell. The Vixen isn’t given the space to be an angry bitch without being stereotyped, but white queens are? Gtfo

          • Hari Kalyan

            No one’s giving anyone leeway to be an angry bitchy queen without being called out for it. The Vixen is just the wrong candidate to play victim or champion the rights of those who are wrongly characterized as an angry bitch. The Vixen is an angry bitch and she wears it like a crown.

      • Xzamilloh

        Oh, The Vixen was all kinds of messy and she is extra when it doesn’t call for it, but her point was still valid given the history of the fandom and the bigger message of how black people are portrayed on reality TV and in conventional media. It’s more like a tu quoque fallacy, where she embodies the very thing she criticizes, so yeah that makes it hypocritical but it doesn’t make her wrong… it’s like me telling you the harm of cigarettes and secondhand smoke while chain smoking a pack of Newports and blowing the smoke in your face.

        • sam my

          But is Vixen NOT what the fans of Drag Race been asking for ? Did they not claim to not be here fo S9 all because it was more Best Friends Race? But now that they are getting what they are asking for, they dont want it, all because of who it’s coming from.

          • Xzamilloh

            Oh, bitch, I’m here for ALL of it!!! She is such a shit stirrer and I am loving it!!! Especially after that boring ass snoozefest that was Season 9, and then AS3 and that godawful ending, which you know they knew was BS because Season 10 premiered the week after it. When have they ever done that?

            Vixen is good TV… messy as hell but good TV

          • sam my

            I wouldn’t even consider her messy, just blunt. With Cracker and Aquarius like the Vixen said, what she was saying to Cracker, is not what she said before, and tried to sugar coat it, and The Vixen called her out on it, in FRONT of Cracker. Just like this week, Aquarius came for The Vixen’s drag aesthetics, telling her, her best drag isn’t the best, and The Vixen responded. You cant come for someone’s drag/them and expect them not to come back at you, and especially not with kindness.

          • Xzamilloh

            Okay, in that one instance, I call Vixen messy… because even if Aquaria was trying to walk back what she said, the way Vixen went about it was clearly to instigate an argument over something that had nothing to do with her. But when Aquaria came for Vixen’s drag? All bets were off.

          • Scrapple

            And then when the other queens called her on her “She borrowed her way to this opportunity” comment The Vixen tried to be all “Don’t come for me, because I’m just basing that off what you guys said.” Yeah, but nobody else said that about Cracker. That’s a conclusion and a determination you jumped to based on an anecdote.

          • RaJ

            She accused her of stealing her face and aesthetic. I came to the same conclusion based on what was said.

          • Scrapple

            And yet her biggest issue wasn’t even that Cracker may have arrived at this place resting on someone else’s drag laurels. It was about Aquaria not being honest about what she said? I’d be more bothered about a bitch getting a competition spot I’m assuming she doesn’t deserve than another bitch being secretly shady.

          • Xzamilloh

            But damn this is good TV… only the reunion from Season 9 came close to bringing what we’ve been seeing three episodes in. All of these queens deserve kudos for playing their parts well.

            Now waiting on Kameron Michaels amatueur porn to “leak”

          • Scrapple

            You know that porn would be all body and no substance. Like her narration.

        • Scrapple

          I tend not to listen to people who cause drama for the sake of causing drama. Those are the people who tend to always talk about how real they are, and end up being anything but.

          • sam my

            I also find those type of people that need to shout from the mountaintop how “real” they are, to be quite annoying.

          • Xzamilloh

            “I ain’t no bitch I keeps it real”

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/628c674d889c7020558220c126677688e3062067be6cc29eced2987e357f36c6.gif

            That’s why in this one instance I’m glad Vixen brought up how black queens tend to be portrayed, but I have a feeling she’s gonna undo this moment later on down the line

          • Scrapple

            Lol. Now all I’m seeing is that “When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong” sketch from Chappelle’s Show playing in my head. So thank you for that.

            And you could’ve used that gif and instead you went with Molly? A White woman? I’m shaking my head so hard at you right now.

          • Xzamilloh

            I couldn’t find it!! Get off my vagina, woman!!!

          • Scrapple

            At least let me lick it before I hop off.

        • Ceecee

          I think tackling the issue of racism on Drag Race outweighs almost any of Vixen’s flaws IMO.

          Even just episode 1 we had a queen ask “which one are you?” because she couldn’t tell Mayhem, Asia and Monet apart.

          • Xzamilloh

            Yuhua was being funny… you can tell with the way it was edited. Plus, Yuhua knows Monet

      • Mike Julius

        Why is it every black person’s responsibility to be an ambassador, to champion the cause? She came to fight. Okay. Who else came to fight? Why are they held to a different standard?

        • sam my

          “The Vixen saying she came to fight is the equivalent of her saying she’s going to stick up for herself, be unapologetic, and be entirely in control of her narrative. ” – A Viewer

          Like the Vixen said she was RESPONDING to what was being thrown at her, she was chillin and the other queen made comments about her, and the Vixen responded as such, and yet do to how she responded, she’s labeled negative, rude, angry, and told to tone it down, but not one person has yet to come at Aquarius for her remarks and comments and told to learn how to talk to people, that if she can’t take it, then dont dish.

          Telling Vixen to tone it down, after she was the one that was attacked, is like telling someone to politely roll the ball back, after that same person intentionally hit you with it.

          • Scrapple

            Offense and Defense are not the same thing.

          • sam my

            Obviously. Im still not seeing how The Vixen is in the wrong, all because she responded to what was being given to her. Other queens even acknowledged that how Aquarius comes at people, is very rude and she should work on that. So how is The Vixen in the wrong, for how she responded, when other queens have taken a side eye to Aquarius’s side neck comments?

          • Scrapple

            Okay. Who said anything about her being wrong when Aquaria came for her drag? I didn’t say it was wrong when Kennedy responded to Milk doing that, so why would I say it’s wrong for The Vixen to respond when Aquaria did it? That’s not even what I’m talking about. My point is she came into this competition looking to fight. Not fight for the crown. Just fight. That’s her own words. She took a situation that had nothing to do with her and amped it up. For drama. That’s my problem. And don’t talk about being perceived as the “Angry Black Person” when you came into this competition presenting yourself as an “Angry Person Who Happens to Be Black.” That’s my other problem. This girl is over here crying, and even if those are the biggest crocodile tears ever, you’re still going in? But you’re mad about the optics? Gurl please.

          • sam my

            Because why are you crying, when youre the one who started it. Dont dish it, if you cant take it. I had the exact same instance happen to me in highschool. We had this black girl in school that wanted to be white, her name was Janet, I was associates with a white girl her name was Janay. Joking around I said Janay kind of sound like Janet. From that point on, it took a hard left, she said I rather be called Janet than be called a n*gger, I told her I rather be a n word, than a bologna, wet dog smelling crackah. She then told me to take a bath, insinuating that Im dirty/smells, I replied, you take a bath you dusty ass hoe. We both got sent to the office, I told the truth from beginning to end on what happened, she went to the principle CRYING, therefore creating the narrative of being the victim. She starts the salacious name calling, I responded, yet because she cried, I got suspended and labeled a bully. That’s not the first time that’s happened, another white girl, staring me down in my computer class, I ask do you have a problem, and she starts to get a attitude, gettin loud and wanting to put on a show, so I told her to STFU you bug eyed hoe, and the teacher ask both of us to step into the hallway, right then the girl starts crying, “he called me a hoe” and I’m told to apologize and once again seen as the big bad villain.

          • Scrapple

            I feel like I have to point out you took the effort to edit one slur, but not the other.

            My question would be, what did you learn from that first situation? Because your response appears to have been the same and ended in the same result. Look, I get it. I have to deal with the public at my job and people have tried to get smart with me for not giving them what they want. I had one lady call me “passive aggressive” because I had to audacity to call out a customer who was being loud and rude to me because he believed I gave him misinformation (which I didn’t). So, I called her out too. I’ve called out plenty of people at my job. But I know how to do it. And not once have I been written up for it. You have to know how to respond to people. You have to know how to react to your situation while acknowledging your surroundings. People can only get out of you the reaction you give. And some people want you to look a fool and play into the narrative they’re trying to sell. So don’t give them what they want. You end up looking all the better for it, and they’re even more pressed because they couldn’t get your goat.

          • sam my

            Eh, just wrote it as it popped into my head.

            I was 17 at the time, and being at that school, got me to start sticking up for myself, being more outspoken and not letting people treat me, talk to me any type or anyway they feel. Which is why I can relate to Vixen and what she said, because I myself have been through it. Its easy to say you need to do this and that, when youre from the outside looking in, and haven’t been through it.

            Trust as in my job example below, I have acknowledge my surroundings plenty as I get and grow older, but there’s only so much I will and can take, before my buttons are pushed and my temper explodes. I shouldn’t have to constantly check my tone, how I react, while the person bringing it to me, gets to do and say as they please, while I must remember professional etiquette. At that same job, I was harassed and threatened, did I retaliate ? No, I remembered professional etiquette. I simply went to my manager and supervisor and reported every instance, and did anything get done ? No, in fact the same person still works there.

            Another example, same job AFTER wks of being harassed, reporting it and having NOTHING be done, another employee step to me in a very hostile manner, invading my space and put their finger in my face, and I first respond in a neutral tone, saying “first of all” the employee then tells me to “lower my tone”, my tone was already low, I didn’t raise my voice until they raised theirs at me, trying to talk over me. So I told them, I am an adult, if you cant respect nor talk to me as such, please make your exit. They continued to yell and talk down to me, I continued to tell them to make their exit. Soon after my coworker told me I overreacted, it was uncalled for, that I took it too far. Once again, I am in the wrong, for defending myself in a professional place and manner, but because I didn’t allow that person to treat and talk to me how they wanted and react to it how they wanted, I was in the wrong.

          • Scrapple

            But in the end, what did stooping to their level accomplish? All it did was make you even angrier and nothing happened to those other people. I’m all for sticking up for yourself. But I don’t see the sense in getting into a war of words with someone who isn’t going to listen. I say what I need to say and remove myself from the situation. I refuse to let other people have enough power over me to where I can’t check my own emotions or actions. I know what I’m capable of when I’m angry and it’s just not worth it. When people show you who they are, believe them. When people have proven they don’t respect you and only have ill intentions towards you, shake the dust off your feet and move on. Life is too short to get burdened by someone else’s issues.

          • sam my

            Scrapple I dont think youre getting what I’m saying, that final instance was a final straw to being harrassed. In that moment I was fed up with everything and everyone. I tried it the “professional” way reporting instances, ignoring, saying how I feel in a respectable manner, but that moment was the final button pushed and I had, had enough. You tellin me you would handle the things Ive dealt with at my job “calmly” ? I give myself credit for how I handle the last two instances there with the employee and having the cops called at me.

            In neither instance do I feel there was any stooping, I didn’t ridicule, name call, curse, invade their space or put my hands in their face. With this instance my hands remained in my pockets and I with authority told them, to get out of my place of work, if they cant respect me enough to talk to me like a person/adult. Me stooping to any of these people levels, would be me fighting. I said what needed to be said by telling her to leave, she continued and I continued to tell her to leave as any person would do. I cant just walk away or out in the middle of a job, I worked at a hospital. There’s a limit to my toleration or just simply “laughing it off”, there are lines you must not cross, and once crossed all bets are off. In each instance I am very proud of myself and how I handled it, because I’ve come a long way with my anger/temper. I used to fight a lot growing up, being short and gay, warrant people trying me, and I would do nothing back. It went from that to not arguing back to just swinging, to arguing, to now there are levels to it, to where if pushed too much I react.

          • Scrapple

            All I’m saying is, if you keep telling someone to leave your space and they won’t, maybe you should leave. Or at least go somewhere where you don’t have to continue to get loud with this person. It serves no purpose. Yeah, you may be older, but from the stories you’ve shared here, it appears you’re still finding yourself in the same situations, fighting the same battles. That’s not me saying “maybe you’re the problem” it’s simply me noticing a pattern.

            I can’t advise you how to respond to people. All I can say is if you get into these situations and the outcomes keep being the same, try a different tactic. Also, don’t be that Black guy getting loud with his hands in his pocket. Because those guys get shot when the police arrive. Don’t be holding a cellphone, or a shower head, or tin foil. Because it won’t end well. A shotgun is okay, but you have to be a White lady to get the benefit of the doubt.

          • sam my

            Well I live in a small predominantly small city where the population is 20k.

            Thank You. I always liked/enjoyed our back and forths, and how me and you are always able to have these healthy discussions/debates without it getting ugly/heated. I appreciate you , someone I can consider a “friend”. I lub you.

            Old wise ass.

          • Scrapple

            Oh believe me, it was heated on my end. I called you all kinds of bitches and hoes and shit. I was going in on that ass like enemas on a Tim Tales set. But then I centered and realized “She just needs a hug. And some dick. Maybe both at once.” And that kept me from getting my snap on.

          • sam my

            BItch, if you want to go that round we can. Nothing here but space and opportunity.

          • Scrapple
          • sam my
          • Scrapple
          • sam my
          • Scrapple

            You need to stop taking relationship advice from Ike Turner.

          • sam my

            Hey it worked for them for 20+ yrs.

          • Scrapple

            We’ll be saying that about Jay and Bey in another ten.

          • sam my

            Ugh I want her to divorce him already. I’m tired of hearing him speaking on cheating on her and her saying nothing, is making her look dumb for staying.

          • Scrapple

            They’re identities are too entangled for me to believe it will ever happen. And that’s without taking the rumors about Jay changing his name into consideration.

          • sam my

            Changing his name ?

          • Scrapple

            That’s the rumor. That he’s legally Sean Carter-Knowles. Not sure about the hyphen.

          • Maximus
          • Scrapple

            Lol. I’m sure you’ve been in your fair share of confrontations.

          • Maximus

            I may have raised my voice once or twice this semester when I felt that my peers’ work-product for an actual appellate murder case was subpar. Poor, delicate things thought that was me yelling. But seriously, I felt so guilty the second time that I got physically ill for a weekend and went on a grand apology tour. I still feel like shit for losing my cool like that.

          • n24rc

            You’re not making your best case here, calling Janet out as white a wannabe. You seem very judgemental and a bully.

          • sam my

            I didn’t call her out as anything. Unlike you, I actually knew Janet and she herself said she wished she were white and hated being black. For Halloween she even came to school as a white girl. Thank you.

          • n24rc

            you’re full of it…and looking to troll this board with an unrelated topic to gay porn. You were probably banned from the drag race reddit board and wanted to start shit here.

            Knock it off.

          • sam my

            Hahaha omg you’re crazy

          • n24rc

            Janet jackson is not HERE to defend herself! lol.

          • cluelesswitness

            “This girl is over here crying, and even if those are the biggest crocodile tears ever, you’re still going in?”

            The Vixen should have gone harder on her when Aquaria started to cry (mind you not one tear fell down her cheek). Queens like Aquaria use white sympathy to help them when they perpetrate drama. White tears get no sympathy from me.

          • Scrapple

            O…k…

          • n24rc

            She’s not wrong for defending her place on the show and calling out others…she’s wrong assuming there is a double standard wuth other casts/seasons when there is plenty of examples to the contrary.

          • cluelesswitness

            LIES

          • n24rc

            So, let’s be clear the black contestant on the black owned show, just compared it to plantation life. Yeah, the bitch REALLY sincere with this shit. It’s only for clicks, trolling for attention.

            It’s not like she isn’t talented or pretty, she’s very attractive even with the “crafty” crap she’s assembled. LMAO.

        • Scrapple

          And where did I say she had to be an ambassador of anything? I’ve been very clear that nobody has to be the emissary for their people. At the same time, you’re Black, you’re stepping into a new environment, and the first message you’re giving people is “I like to fight.” Because why? There’s no reason to play into stereotypes when you don’t have to. And when you do play into that stereotype, don’t come crying about perceptions. Even the other Black queens were trying to tell her maybe her approach didn’t have to be at that level all the time.

          • Mike Julius

            You: And where did I say she had to be an ambassador of anything?

            Also you: As a Black man, when you come onto a reality show talking about “I like to fight” and then you’re causing drama for the sake of causing drama, how are you advancing the cause and altering preconceived notions”

          • Scrapple

            Advancing a cause and being an ambassador are two very different things. One fights for representation, the other is a representation. I’m sorry if you can’t understand the distinction.

            And the only reason I addressed The Vixen being Black and how that informs how she is received on this show is because she addressed it. If talking about how I don’t want people to view me as an alcoholic, but I’m always hanging out with a beer in one hand, the image I’m presenting is counterproductive.

          • Mike Julius

            It’s a distinction without a difference. If everyone should advance the cause then that amounts to expecting everyone to be an ambassador.

          • Scrapple

            It really doesn’t. I didn’t say she or anyone else had to advance the cause. I asked how are her actions advancing the cause, because she is addressing an issue which is important to that cause. You don’t get to complain about a negative perception about Black people when you actively chose to feed into that perception, even after addressing it. There are four other Black queens on this show. Do you see me saying anything about how they should represent all Black people? Do you see me saying anything about how they should be fighting to change the Black narrative? I brought it up in relation to The Vixen because she brought it up. She’s doing the same thing Aquaria is doing, which is playing the victim because of drama she started.

            I feel like there have been several times when I’ve written something you’ve misconstrued, and instead of coming to me for clarification you come at me sideways and put words in my mouth. I tend to be very clear in the things I say and the things I explain. You not understanding or accepting those statements or explanations doesn’t mean you get to tell me what I meant. I said what I said. I explained what I explained.

          • Mike Julius

            I’m sorry I come off that way with you. I’m dropping it then.

          • Scrapple

            Thank you. And I’m sorry I felt the need to bite back.

        • n24rc

          No one, on this forum for gay porn, is holding Vixen to any standard different from other cast on different seasons. If you think this, you haven’t been paying attention to any past seasons, as many other white castmembers were getting dragged on social media during their stints when they acted like assholes.

          You sound like a rabbid fan looking to be abusive with other viewers.

          • Mike Julius

            And you sound like you can fuck off.

          • n24rc

            Someone’s pressed. If you don’t like the comments leave yourself.

          • Mike Julius

            Take your own advice.

          • Mike Julius

            Take your own advice.

          • n24rc

            Keep talking. Zero fucks to give here.

          • n24rc

            Oh okay. How’s the FSB, does it pay well?

          • n24rc

            I’m not here yelling at randoms online. You are. Instead of actually thinking, gee, I disagree with the guy, let me go somewhere else, you’ve dedicated time to harassing me for a difference of opinion.

          • Mike Julius

            You can take your own advice ANY time now…

          • n24rc

            likewise. Take your daily meds. Maybe they’d help with the disorder of randomly screaming at people online.

          • n24rc

            well, you can just go buy the vixen cd, the vixen poster, start your vixen fan blog and rant on that about how all these ‘white bitches’ don’t appreciate her CUNT-iness.

          • Mike Julius

            Jesus, dude, it’s been 6 months. Get the fuck over it, you fucking weirdo.

      • Baradude

        Monique heart said it best when she said that all she does is stir the pot by being confrontationl. Through out drag Race history there has been girls that are just shit starters look at Rebecca Glasscock, Tyra, Shangela, Phi Phi, Roxxxy, Gia, Derick Berry and Acid Betty hell even Aja! But they didn’t use the show as a main focus to fight unlike the vixen who said point blank I came to fight on the first day and when people called her out on her being mean she pulled the angry black woman card, that rubbed me the wrong way cuz even the black queens said she needed to chill. Am I saying Aquaria is innocent hell no cuz the bullshit between her and cracker was wack and she obviously wanted to start shit when cracker was minding her business. It’s when vixen inserted herself into that shit where it got dumb, she should have just stayed in her lane and let those to handle it now she’s mad that people will see her different……..and for that she gets a Big L for her argument

    • n24rc

      identity politics run amok. Vixen is annoying, like the RHOA women. They all take themselves too seriously, they act like assholes trying to chase narratives and manage PR.

      Every single thing mentioned above makes no sense.

      I like kennedy and Jasmine, as well as the rest of that season’s cast was really good.

      I thought raven was an asshole, as I was a Tatianna fan. But Raven has worked off seasons to improve her image by reaching out to fans, so she’s better but still has some ego to work on.

      Also, how is this show getting flack about being black as I recall Bob was hugely popular.

      People are diluting sexism, rape, racism, homophobia, trans discrimination by targeting one of the few positive shows dealing with the lgbt community with all groups represented. Stop trying to be a troll with that crap.

      • Xzamilloh

        Sorry, but everything isn’t “identity politics run amuck”

        Some of us who routinely criticize SJWs for being overly PC can also pick apart certain topics and find merit in them, and in this case, I find merit here. Doesn’t mean I always do, but The Vixen had a point, and clearly there was a consensus that agreed.

        Just because you snowflake the fuck out over every mention of race doesn’t mean I’m going to turn my brain off and start howling “troll.”

        • n24rc

          Then take your complaints to RuPaul instead of a gay porn blog, who owns and runs the show as a black drag queen.

          Seems pointless to talk, as you’ve made up your mind, on a random forum – something a “snowflake” would do.

          • Mike Julius

            Believe it or not, you are not the arbiter of where, when, or how Drag Race is discussed. If Zach pops up to say “no more dragging drag,” it’s his blog so we have to go elsewhere. Until then, we’re fine here, thanks.

          • n24rc

            If it’s titled GAY PORN it’s for gay porn. Vixen and the rest of the bullshit discussion can be had at Reddit under the title of rabies-infected fandom.

          • n24rc

            Maybe he should, I’m here to see dicks but NOT HAVE TO TALK TO THEM. Quit blasting boards with bullshit. Does the FSB pay a lot? lol

          • Mike Julius

            This is the post I was quoting btw. Thought you erased it to make yourself look less unhinged. But nope, caps lock yours. Quoted verbatim

          • n24rc

            Lightweight. Porn blog. Did you get kicked off Reddit? I bet you doxed people and harassed other contestants online.

            Are you that “fan” that the contestants hate?

          • Mike Julius

            Says the guy who responds to my post AGAIN after 6 month. Dear God, get a fucking grip already.

      • sam my

        Yet Bob, Jasmine and Kennedy agreed with EVERYTHING The Vixen Said.

        • Xzamilloh

          Oh, I knew Bob would, especially with the way those Kim Chi stans came for her after she won. And it was some nasty shit said too.

          • sam my

            Not to mention how Kennedy and Jasmine were treated in favor of Pearl, Fame and Violet.

          • n24rc

            Rolaskatox had people foaming at the mouth on social media on both seasons. People didn’t like them and felt Katya was robbed….so it’s not just the black queens at all.

          • Hari Kalyan

            Right there is always some lethal group of fans who spew nonsense. When Trixie won AS3 and when Sasha won S9 they both got nasty comments and hated on. But people are just extra sensitive when it comes to the black queens.

          • n24rc

            I think some people “need a win” to feel good and that is truly sad about our contemporary society, it’s that it makes people feel invested in arbitrary and pointless media and competitions to validate our tribes.

            What people seem to forget is that I can order a fucking crown as a fan, for the talent I think should have one.

            It’s the same factory they buy crowns from. It doesn’t mean shit.

          • n24rc

            I think people are entitled to their own opinions, but they are abrasive dicks to people to disagree – they should just fuck off with that shit. It’s a fake fucking diamond crown, I can by one online and sent it to the queens who “should” have won their seasons – but only one can.

            IF they are sooooo butthurt they should just support their favs online and in person by buying shitty merch and paying tips at their shows.

          • n24rc

            I think it has to do with their obsession with being BETTER than other people. As opposed to looking at it has a forum to show who they are and get more people at their shows – they get obsessed with the title.

            The title doesn’t mean anything now, because the show has been on for close to a decade and it’s soon going to be irrelevant to have the crown because they keep adding to the roster. It’s not unique anymore to be crowned.

            You have to have a “brand” strategy…which some of the black queens are now doing, as internet trolls.

        • n24rc

          Right now, Bob and Vix had a few words about comparing a reality drag show to slavery. I think the vixen needs to renew her prescriptions.

        • n24rc

          Nope. Be clear here, Vix as a black contestant on a black owned show, that it was like working in a plantation. Which is complete nonsense that bob called her out for.

          None of the true winners give a shit with this pettiness, and the ones that do are only cynically trying to be “Woke” for audience adulation. Look, I hate Aquaria’s fakeness, just as I do with Vixen and the rest of the cast trying to appeal to a fan base.

        • n24rc

          I like Kennedy, and she’s a popular drag star. She’s a MEME queen.

  • AsherStClaire

    I mean, he’s not wrong but he needs to better articulate why if he wants to be taken seriously. Wesley had hopped onto the trend-train of bashing Keller a couple months after everything had already died down and no one was really discussing it (or Keller actually) anymore. He made the claim that he wasn’t “shaming” or attacking Keller about his voting choices but literally would only talk about Keller in his complaints against Trump Voters. He made sure he timed his opinion so that it wouldn’t be competing with any other voices on the matter. He wanted the spotlight for himself.

    He claimed Keller was nestled in his White Privilege and that both him and Keller would never experience marginalization because of their whiteness (despite the fact that they’re both Gay and Sex workers which I guess doesn’t count according to Woods, intersectionality be dammed). Not only this but Woods claimed that he was speaking up on behalf of the People of Color in his life, but if you took a look at his social media accounts, there were none. Not any social acquaintances, no reposts of organizations dedicated to helping PoC, nothing. The only time you ever saw a Person of Color referenced or mentioned at all by Woods was a retweet of a PoC kissing his ass for him “dragging Keller”.

    If you’re going to proclaim yourself as a Champion of Social Justice, you need to actually do something. Writing self-congratulating think-pieces off of the back of another performer (as deserved of much of the response as Keller did) so you can get a bunch of retweets isn’t actually doing anything. It just reads as opportunistic.

    • Zachary Sire

      No one proclaimed himself a “champion” of anything, and no one was “bashing” anyone. Do you even know what that word even means? As noted in the article above, Keller put out a tweet comparing Hillary to Trump, which led to Wesley and a million other people responding to him. That’s not “bashing,” that’s called responding to someone else’s bullshit. Welcome to reality, where people say stupid things, and people respond.

      https://str8upgayporn.com/twitter-users-including-sean-ford-react-to-colby-kellers-tweet-comparing-hillary-clinton-to-donald-trump/

      • AsherStClaire

        One of the definitions of bashing is “severe criticism” which are most of the responses to his tweet, so my verbiage stands. And yes, there were plenty of people giving him (Woods) undue praise for his incredibly watered-down and ineffectual understanding of social justice and intersectionality, which is the basis of my entire point. His open letter was posted on several blogs with various commentators applauding him for his statements. None of what I said was incorrect.

        • Zachary Sire

          Looks like you don’t understand or have reading comprehension issues: No one proclaimed himself a “champion” of anything, and no one was “bashing” anyone. Keller put out a tweet comparing Hillary to Trump, which led to Wesley and a million other people responding to him. That’s not “bashing,” that’s called responding to someone else’s bullshit.

          Once again: Welcome to reality, where people say stupid things, and people respond.

          • AsherStClaire

            Why are you trying to move the conversation away from my actual point, which is Wood’s virtue signaling, and squaring it on the semantics of synonyms.

          • Zachary Sire

            Once again: People say things, and then people disagree. This is how the world works and how standard human interaction occurs. No one is “virtue signaling” or “bashing.”

          • AsherStClaire

            Ok, let’s try this another way.

            I’v clearly explained why I feel the way I do. Woods’ misuse of common terminology about the topic in question coupled with his timing and lack of effort towards the cause outside of this particular incident make me question the reasoning and sincerity behind his initial statements.

            You offered nothing of serious merit to address why I may be wrong other than “people talk and people respond”, which is the basis of all human communication yet doesn’t address the means or motivations behind this particular situation. People communicate and respond, sure, but everyone has their own reasons for doing so, and Woods’ reasoning is what I’m questioning.

            I’ve explained my usage of the word “bashing” and my usage of the term “virtue signaling”. And I’ve yet to hear anything that actually addresses fault with me using these terms other than you not liking them or dismissing them altogether without addressing why.

            If you don’t fully comprehend the full scope of my actual issue with this situation, then please just say so.

          • Zachary Sire

            “Woods’ misuse of common terminology”? Huh? He wrote an open letter clearly identifying why he took issue with what Keller did. You’re acting as if Woods had some ulterior motive or alternate agenda in offering his opinion, which is absurd. It’s not that complicated. He came out with an opposing view on something. Happens 1000000000 times a day by everyone, everywhere, every day.

            By your logic, no one should’ve come forward to speak out against Colby Keller’s Trump vote. No one is allowed to have an opposing view. LOL.

          • AsherStClaire

            1)Yeah he had an opposing viewpoint and I’m questioning it’s sincerity. I don’t understand why this is so remarkable, especially since you covered Sean Zevran’s questioning Hugh Hunter’s sincerity in boycotting the GayVN’s and in that same article questioned his motives as well.

            2) He misused and displayed a lack of understanding of privilege and intersectionality in his open-letter to such a degree that I doubt he actually researched the topic with any real depth. These kinds of discussions (especially if you’re trying to take someone else to task) require an actual understanding of the discussion at hand otherwise you’re just talking out your ass while speaking over someone who actually knows what their talking about.

            3) And yes, I’ve stated from the beginning that Woods’ statement was an attempt at bolstering his own profile while going after an easy target. And why is it more absurd than Hugh Hunter’s grandstanding which you readily agreed was a publicity stunt? Why would this be out of the question for Woods?

            4) And I don’t know where you got the idea that me questioning Woods’ sincerity was tantamount to silencing his opinion.

          • Mike Julius

            You don’t have a point. Virtue signaling is a bullshit buzzphrase. When people have an opinion, right or wrong, they can express it. When it’s wrong, people have every right to call them on that bullshit.

          • AsherStClaire

            Never said that he wasn’t entitled to his opinion, I said his reasoning and timing for voicing them, along with the subpar usage of the relevant terms and concepts, leads me to believe that he was disingenuous with his engagement with the issue at hand.

            He doesn’t actually care about the issues he addressed with Keller’s statements, he wants to appear as if he does (which is what virtue signaling is btw) in order to boost his own profile. And again, I’ve yet to say that the backlash against Keller wasn’t warranted or that no one was entitled to state their opinion. Please point out to where I did and I’ll happily apologize and retract said statement.

          • Ceecee

            Girl, you don’t gotta be fuckin’ Martin Luther King to stand up to a colleague’s obvious discrimination.

            Virtue signalling is just some asinine buzz phrase made up by libertarians to justify doing absolutely zero.

            Is Woods some kind of tragic hero figure for bravely writing a counter essay? Absolutely not. But calling out a colleague’s tacit support of INCREDIBLY awful people is very baseline human civility.

          • AsherStClaire

            …Do you actually know what the term means? Or are you just dismissing it because doing that is easier than actually engaging the conversation on a meaningful level?

            And sure, call out problematic behavior, do it enthusiastically but why did it need to be on a public platform? Why did it need to be an open letter? They’re colleges and I’m positive that they have means of communicating that didn’t involve everyone being privy to that criticism.

            If you’re actually committed to combating racism and discrimination, the conversations you have offline are more important than the ones you have in front of an audience. Granted, could be that Woods did try to reasoning with Keller offline and maybe he didn’t want to hear it and left Woods no other option, but I doubt it, and his letter made no inclination to that effect.

            And that’s not baseline civility, decency maybe ( a hard maybe), but hardly civil.

          • Ceecee

            I am aware of what the term aims to be, but unless you’re some kind of clairvoyant it’s a useless buzz phrase.

            These rules that you have in your head do not apply to everyone. Nowhere is it written that racism needs to be discussed in hushed voices like you’re confronting Lord Voldemort.

            You are not the arbiter of how to combat oppression. Unless you’re secretly the spirit of Nelson Mandela, writing to me from beyond the grave why would I take your rules for what is the proper way to discuss a discriminatory colleague?

          • AsherStClaire

            How can a term “aim” to be something? It either means it or it doesn’t. Just don’t use the term if you don’t like it but it doesn’t make it any less of an actual term just because you don’t like it. But I digress.

            I simply asked why Woods used the specific method of voicing his opinion as opposed to a different one. Never said anything about an alternative method to be “better” and I never said that I was any arbiter of how to combat oppression (although a quick glance at modern history will give you a couple examples of more effective methods).

            My entire issue has been about Wood’s sincerity in his statements given how shallow his understanding of the issue clearly is, his lack of actual demonstrable commit to the topic at hand, and how timely his commentary was.

            I questioning his motives, and for some reason no one seems to be able to address that.

          • Ceecee

            Your exact phase was:
            “If you’re actually committed to combating racism…” followed by “…the conversations you have offline are more important”
            You’re expressly giving an outline of a better alternative to combating oppression.

            There’s nothing here to address because you haven’t actually brought anything outside of speculation and innuendo. If we’re living in the world of virtue signals, why is Woods’ opinion a virtue signal but Keller’s lengthy “I’m the one really fighting for lgbt rights” or Zayne’s “I am opposed to opportunism” anything different? In what tangible way does Woods virtue signal, but Zayne and Keller show us something different?

          • AsherStClaire

            Except that I never posited in-face conversations versus online engagement as an either/or dichotomy. It’d be realistic to expect that people are capable of both, but that face-to-face conversations hold more value. Didn’t say that you have to do one over the other. Same way as you’re capable of having a more well-rounded and fruitful conversation in person rather than text. And yes, a conversation where you combat oppression without an audience speaks more to your character because you’re not relying on pats on the back. It’s the hallmark of a decent ally who can combat oppression without relying on accolades.

            And there’s still plenty to address, you’re just refusing. I want to know what Woods has done since this stunt to actually cement his commitment to fighting on behalf of those “socially disempowered and highly impacted by politics”.

            He actively distances himself from his own white male privilege in his own letter, fails to understand the basics of inter-sectional oppression, and then spouts disgust at Keller’s white male privilege despite the fact the he himself is a white male. What has he done since this or even before it to show that this is something he actually takes seriously? Why is no one answering this question and repeatedly trying to dance around it or avoid answering the question altogether.

            If I’m just working with innuendo or speculation, how so?

          • Ceecee

            That’s still not a thing. There is no correct way to be an ally, and the “nobility” of doing it like Stepford wives away from the prying eyes of strangers exists solely in your head.

            You have an awful lot of demands for a gentleman who seems to offer nothing in exchange. I am not Miss Woods: I don’t follow him around making sure he combats each and every instance of prejudice he encounters. I really don’t care for him as a performer.

            But carrying on with internet screeds about the evils of virtue signalling while 1) bringing absolutely zero to the table and 2) failing to illustrate how Woods is somehow guilty while Keller and Zayne are genuine might be why nobody comes around looking for your sagely advice on allyship.

          • AsherStClaire

            “There’s no correct way to be an ally….” lol, yeah there is.

            1) Actually putting money where your mouth is.
            2) Actually listening and engaging the communities you claim ally ship to.
            3) Not speaking over disenfranchised communities, create opportunities for their voices to be heard.
            4) Understand that “ally” is a term given to you and not one you can assign yourself.

            What the point of being an ally if you wind up doing more harm than good, or over-shadowing the communities that you claim to stand up for?

            And let’s try and keep the conversation ad-hominem free.

            My issue is that Wesley Woods decided to engage the conversation from a place of seeming-expertise and experience without any substantial efforts to back that position up. He claims that is relationships to those most affected by the elections inspired him to speak out, but since then I’ve yet to hear anything from him that further establishes this front.

            And I haven’t demanded anything, I’m just waiting for someone to actually engage the point I’m making rather than try to dismiss it because they either don’t know how to actually engage it or don’t want to.

          • Zachary Sire

            “And sure, call out problematic behavior, do it enthusiastically but why did it need to be on a public platform?”

            Because Colby Keller spent the better part of a year talking to media outlets explaining why he was justified in voting for Trump.

            Again, by your logic, no one should’ve responded to Colby Keller or had their own opinion. I’m sorry you can’t grasp the concept that when people say things, people will respond with opposing views.

          • AsherStClaire

            Yeah but if that’s really the case then explain why you agreed with Sean Zevran’s questioning of Hugh Hunter’s sincerity when he withdrew his nomination from the GayVN’s. I don’t understand your assessment that questioning someone’s motives is tantamount to attempting to silence them.

          • Zachary Sire

            You’re getting very carried away into completely unrelated things. That said, Hugh Hunter has a well-documented and proven record of lying and being completely full of shit, so anything he does isn’t sincere in my eyes.

            Wesley Woods speaking out against Donald Trump and anyone who voted for him is not even close to being the same thing as Zevran questioning Hunter. If you think that Wesley Woods really secretly likes Donald Trump and was using Colby Keller to seek attention…LOL…good luck.

          • AsherStClaire

            Your putting forth statements that I never made. Please stop.

            I said nothing of Woods feelings on Trump.

            Please explain where I said anything among those lines. I questioned the reasoning and the sincerity of his open letter.

            I am questioning Woods’ motives for his open letter. Just as you and Zevran questioned Hunter’s motives for declining his nomination for the GayVN’s. But for some reason you keep ignoring that similarity.

            I don’t know where you got the idea that my questioning Woods’ motives is saying that he’s a fan of Trump, but it is inaccurate.

            And one performer calling out another performer as a means of attention seeking is not out of the realm of possibility, considering that this site has a well-documented history of cataloging such behavior.

          • Zachary Sire

            You said that Woods was only calling out Keller/Trump because he wanted his own attention, and that he was not sincere in his disagreements, but you offered no evidence of his insincerity, or any record of him being insincere in the past. The only thing you did was question his ability to speak on behalf of people of color—which he never said he was doing anyway—because there were no photos of him with people of color on his Twitter account. LOL. Your original comment that started this thread was baseless, made no sense, and was full of bullshit (Woods never proclaimed himself a “champion of social justice”–he wrote a letter disagreeing with someone) and neither does your last comment, so I’m not going to waste any more time.

          • AsherStClaire

            K, you’re still wrong though.

  • Mani

    Tegan needs a hard ass pounding from Colby and Wesley. Would a DP by these two make him happy?!
    Two white dicks in that hairy ass should do the trick!

  • Jay Lias
  • sam my

    I actually had this same discussion with someone yesterday, regarding opinions. You can give an opinion without being disrespectful. We have an obligation as citizens to express our opinions. We don’t need permission or a certificate. But if I find said opinion to be ill informed, wrong, or offensive, I have the responsibility to correct, inform and check you on it. That’s the problem with today, especially with republicans and those that voted for trump in office, people think its okay to insult others, but color it an opinion, then get defensive, when those offended react. That’s not how freedom of speech works. You dont get to give your shitty opinion about me and then expect me not to react, especially if it is wrong, offensive or ill informed. No one should have to tolerate ignorance or disrespect.

    When it all comes down to it, the masses that voted and aligned for/with Trump, dont want facts, you just want people to just let you say whatever and have the rest of us just shut up, listen and take it in stride; again thats not how freedom of speech works, it is how dictatorship works. There’s a reason why trump supporters, much like a cult to its cult leader, believe EVERY SINGLE WORD that comes out of Trumps mouth and disdain anyone thats against him, even when the truth is staring, poking, punching and kicking you right in the face.

    Then on the subject of “white Privilege” since it seems to be a big topic today due to what Jay z said, and the main ones defending it, are those that benefit from it. That’s not surprising to me, ignorance is bliss. What upsets me, are those of color that are defending it, and their main go to is that Jay-z is in no place to say that, because he’s rich. Yes he’s rich but at the end of the day, he’s still looked at as a thug, criminal, drug dealer, a N word, anything in order to demean that status, that “privilege” that you claim he has. How many times has Eminem been called a thug or any white rapper for that matter?

    White privilege has literally nothing to do with class or money. Those defending white privilege always talk about how they struggled at some point, grew up in a bad neighborhood etc, White privilege doesn’t mean being rich. It means having a societal advantage over those darker than you. The privilege that societal institutions cater to you simply because you are white. The benefit of the doubt. “Being lightskin & a white passing POC comes privilege.

  • Jon

    Tegan Zayne is one of those attention whores who has discovered being contrarian gets them that attention and drama they so desperately want/need.

  • C3xxx

    Oh Tegan,Tegan The only middle easterners than can don the title of “crazy” are none other than Abdullah the Butcher (ok, he’s really a Canadian) and my fave persian, the Iron Sheik! You sir are but a merely annoying, pus-filled furuncle. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/480fd29367dd3f8be56f436ea8cc56c9331ac12d45f2fbb2beb7a25c98b64845.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/935639dfa2ed9125e1e9fdf2263003759705b7d6953923e59c3ade1e83b66e2d.jpg

  • Baradude

    Just when I thought I wouldn’t we were done with Tegan he keeps popping up ? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/43af70991942c79869b71c8f47b4dba1d6bb47e9949e09ec2c9f2c10c7c87b92.gif

  • danny

    Can’t Colby Keller speak up for himself? What business does Tegan have getting involved about something that is none of his business? He’s fucked up in the head!

  • Cosmic

    Professional porn sure does seem to attract some “interesting” personalities doesn’t it?

  • 2345

    I hate Tegan more with each passing day. What purpose does this “person” serve?

  • Nyaga-nyang

    tegan zayne is white passing lmao why does he thinks anybody would race-profile him as an angry arab ?

  • Alex

    This is why pornstars should not be allowed to have Twitter accounts…

  • TheLisp
  • emercycrite

    Remember when Tegan used to be hot on CM?

  • Dot Beech

    Tegan Zayne may think he’s not been brainwashed, but as long as he is using the term “the liberal media,” he’s been brainwashed.

  • n24rc

    likewise.

    • Mike Julius

      I never claimed not to care about your idiocy. Though, you’re right. I shouldn’t.

      • n24rc

        Well, so search online to find a job. You seem to have the time.

        • Mike Julius

          Says the guy still trolling months old posts. Again, do the world a favor and take your own advice. Smh

  • n24rc

    I’m not writing in caps. Are you blind?

    • Mike Julius

      Everyone has an edit button. The only person you’re fooling is your delusional, obsessive self. It’s been literal months. Please stop harassing me over this now.

  • n24rc

    That must have taken a full 30 minutes of your day.

  • e jerry powell

    I’m no longer convinced that Charlie Carver was necessarily the best choice for Cowboy in this past summer’s Boys in the Band revival, though to be fair, Cowboy’s qualities are being pretty and being quiet when the adults are talking.

    This child. Yes God’s, is this the community that our queer ancestors fought for — between trips to the Continental Baths — forty-nine years ago?

    May the write of a resurrected radical queer faction be rained down on some backward-assed, low-informating-voting quislings whose entire worldview s are neatly packed in the only faintly sweaty jockstraps of the last guys who gave them near-credible orgasms.

    Well, I guess every boy — myself as much as any other — has to feel as though their opinions count for something at some point. It’s the kind of conduct I usually expect from incels.